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[-] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 77 points 1 month ago

All these people saying its 135 are making big assumptions that I think is incorrect. There’s one triangle (the left one) that has the angles 40, 60, 80. The 80 degrees is calculated based on the other angles. What's very important is the fact that these triangles appear to have a shared 90 degree corner, but that is not the case based on what we just calculated. This means the image is not to scale and we must not make any visual assumptions. So that means we can’t figure out the angles of the right triangle since we only have information of 1 angle (the other can’t be figured out since we can’t assume its actually aligned at the bottom since the graph is now obviously not to scale).

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[-] Brosplosion@lemm.ee 57 points 1 month ago

135 is correct. Bottom intersection is 80/100, 180-35-100 = 45 for the top of the second triangle. 180 - 45 = 135

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 month ago

Mathematician here; I second this as a valid answer. (It's what I got as well.)

[-] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago

Random guy who didn't sleep in middle school here: I also got the same answer.

[-] myusernameis@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

Random woman who didn't sleep very well last night. I got a different answer, then thought about it for 10 more seconds and then got 135.

(No I didn't assume the right angle, my mistake was even dumber. I need a nap.)

[-] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 22 points 1 month ago

You're making the assumption that the straight line consisting of the bottom edge of both triangles is made of supplementary angles. This is not defined due to the nature of the image not being to scale.

[-] NoMoreLurkingToo@startrek.website 27 points 1 month ago

Unless there are lines that are not straight in the image (which would make the calculation of x literally impossible), the third angle of the triangle in the left has to be 80°, making the angle to its right to be 100°, making the angle above it to be 45°, making the angle above it to be 135°. This is basic trigonometry.

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[-] brisk@aussie.zone 37 points 1 month ago

This is a standard way to draw geometric proofs, it's not at all unreasonable to assume straight lines alongside unrepresentative angles. It's certainly still an assumption, but a conventional one.

[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

I mean, the assumption shouldn't be anything about scale. It should be that we're looking at straight lines. And if we can't assume that, then what are we even doing.

But, assuming straight lines, given straight lines you find the other side of an intersecting line because of complements.

[-] ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

And if we can't assume that, then what are we even doing

That's exactly what the other user is saying. We can't assume straight lines because the given angles don't make any sense and thus this graph is literally impossible to make. We're arguing over literal click bait is what we're doing.

[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Why do the labeled angles prevent us from assuming straight lines?

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[-] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We can't assume that the straight line across the bottom is a straight line because the angles in the drawing are not to scale. Who's to say that the "right angle" of the right side triangle isn't 144°?

If the scale is not consistent with euclidian planar geometry, one could argue that the scale is consistent within itself, thus the right triangle's "right angle" might also be 80°, which is not a supplement to the known 80° angle.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Stupid stuff like this is why kids hate math class. Unless the problem says calculate all unmarked angles, those visually 90 degree angles are 90 degrees. It works that way in any non engineering job that uses angles because it's common sense.

[-] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

...what? I get that this drawing is very dysfunctional, but are you going to argue that a triangle within a plane can have a sum of angles of 190°?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Nope I'm not saying that. I'm saying this is a gotcha question that demotivates learners.

[-] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

I see. I agree completely. The only place this belongs is as a thought experiment on making assumptions in geometry.

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[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago

trash diagram too, the 90 degree looking center angle is actually 80 on the left, 100 on the right.

180 - (100 + 35) = y

x = 180 -y

I can't be assed to do the simple math

[-] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 32 points 1 month ago

135°.

The non-right-angle is downright cheeky.

[-] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago

Oh my god , those jerks. Lol

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 month ago

trash diagram too

A lot of those standardized tests like SAT or GRE like to put those in (or at least they used to) on purpose. It wasn't that they couldn't render the diagrams correctly, instead they were checking for people making assumptions with information that wasn't given. To be somewhat fair I seem to recall a disclaimer that they weren't necessarily drawn accurately.

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[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 45 points 1 month ago
[-] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 68 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It pisses me off to no end that what is CLEARLY shown as a 90degree angle is not in fact 90deg, I hate it when they do that.

Also I will sadly admit this can teach people lessons about verifying the information themselves.

^GrumbleGrumbleGrumble....^

[-] yannic@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I get you, but it doesn't clearly indicate the angle in the middle at the base as much as it suggestively waggles its eyebrows towards 90⁰, it could just as easily be 89.9999999999999⁰, although upon zooming in, you can see the line does shift one pixel over on its way up. You simply can't trust any of the angles as 90⁰ unless it's got the ∟ symbol (that's the official unicode) or you've measured them yourself, and with that one pixel off-set, it's decidedly not 90⁰. That's why you have to do the math.

[-] Denjin@lemmings.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The internal angles of a triangle always add up to 180⁰, therefore the one pixel offset is irrelevant because the unlabelled angle is, despite what the image suggests, ~~60~~ 80⁰.

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[-] ngwoo@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Geometry diagrams in math problems should never be assumed to be to scale

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 17 points 1 month ago

I like that all the comments are people discussing the diagram.

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[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 17 points 4 weeks ago

The answer is 125 degrees but the triangle on the left has 190 degrees in it

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Nah, the angle isn’t specified as a right angle. We can’t assume it’s 90° just because it’s drawn that way, because it isn’t drawn to scale.

Left triangle has 180° total. 60+40=100, which means that middle line is actually 80°, not 90. And since the opposite side is the inverse, we know it is 100° on the other side.

100+35=135. We know the right triangle also has 180° total, so to find the top corner we do 180-135=45. So that top corner of the right triangle is 45°, meaning x must be 135° on the opposite side.

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[-] FundMECFSResearch 16 points 1 month ago
[-] tyler@programming.dev 16 points 1 month ago

Right one does not depend on the left one. 3rd dimension for the win!

[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

There's perils in being in 3d

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[-] MrQuallzin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

125°

Edit: Damn I'm getting roasted for getting it wrong. I totally am wrong, but when I've been awake for only 5 minutes that's bound to happen XD

[-] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 19 points 1 month ago

135° actually - left triangle has 40° and 60° which implies last angle is 80° not 90°

[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

Wrong, as the drawing is not representative. The inner lower angle for the right triangle has to be 100°, as such the inner upper angle has to be 45° and the X angle has to be 135°.

[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Federation in action: 5 different people from 4 different instances correct OP, not knowing the others have done so, because federating the answers takes a minute.

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[-] Skasi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

It's a trap. The drawing is misleading. If the left triangle already has 60° and 40° then only 80° remains. Meaning there's no right angle. The vertical line should be leaning to the left slightly. The correct answer is 135°.

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[-] RandomStickman@fedia.io 13 points 1 month ago

C'man there's totally a 1px shift on the line. You can't just assume it's a right angle.

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[-] switchboard_pete@fedia.io 12 points 1 month ago

the answers here assume that the base is a continuous, straight line

given one of the angles on the left triangle is a right angle on the diagram, but 80 if you calculate it, you can't assume that

[-] brisk@aussie.zone 11 points 1 month ago

This is a standard way to draw geometric proofs, it's not at all unreasonable to assume straight lines and unrepresentative angles.

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[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Either this is drawn wrong or they broke geometry

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[-] batucada@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Doing 5th grade math makes me feel like a fucking genius. Cant believe I figured it out tbh

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