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[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 72 points 2 weeks ago

i'm over half, and expecting yet another rent increase soon.

[-] basmatii@lemm.ee 52 points 2 weeks ago

Who are the half that make the 7 figures required to not spend half your income on housing?

Did they just fully make up have the surveyed population?

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 28 points 2 weeks ago

$1400/mo, the rough figure from the article, is 30% of $56k/yr. If you made $1m, 30% of that would give you $25,000/mo. How do you figure?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Median household is apparently 80k now. 30 percent of that monthly is 2,000.

In my city 2,000 will rent you an infested place with water damage from the flood a year ago. But if the city comes around you have to pretend not to live there or else they'll kick you out.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

Don’t forget that household income is everyone in the house. So if you are all poor college kids with part time jobs making 15-20k a year your household income will still be close to or at the median, even though each of you are individually really poor

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's not nearly the normal though. Dual income households are the norm by far.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

Sure but any part time jobs the kids have also count towards median household income I assume

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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder if it's net or gross.

Besides, it's not seven figures, just mid-six figures necessary for that.

[-] expr@programming.dev 7 points 2 weeks ago

The typical "30% on income" advice is based on gross, not net. Which is about 93,000 a year for the median mortgage payment right now.

[-] ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

I lived in a place that cost 800$ a month for a room in the bay area and I was taking home more than 60% of my income working full time.

It's doable, and it doesn't mean only rich people aren't rent burdened...

[-] Jazsta@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe roommates?

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

You don't need remotely close to that income level. 200k household income will get you a nice home at a reasonable price.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Oh yeah just 2.5 times the median household income, no problem. Hey while we're here can I have a million dollar loan?

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Never said it was inexpensive. It's just not nearly as expensive as you all make it seem. 15% of the country does hit this number and 25% are close.

Y'all out pretending nobody is buying houses.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

No no we know people are buying houses. It's just hard to compete when that person is Black Rock and they bought an entire development before it even hit the market.

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Corporate owners own less than 4% of single family homes.

It's not okay and that does put pressure on the market. We should strive to minimize that.

It's not the hellscape you want it to be. $2500/mo still buys you a 2400sq ft home in a nice neighborhood in moderate CoL areas. Again that price is out of reach for many, but home ownership rates for Gen Z is higher than millennials when adjusted for age. Most of America own their homes.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

It really doesn't mean anything to say what a home might cost in a certain area, without specifying that area. People can't just move across the country, because they don't have jobs. And if you're putting them in a situation where they would have to commute an hour and a half each way, that has its own set of issues.

The numbers that you include look nice, but I've seen a lot of other numbers that don't look nice. Obviously this all depends where you live, how much money you have, and what kind of place you want to buy.

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

And yet the home ownership rates increase.

Again, it's far from perfect. Not the hellscape described. Again, MOST (Almost 70%), will own their homes when they retire.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Well that's a flat out lie. CoreLogic straight up tells anyone willing to read that investors own 20-30 percent of housing in every state. And they're 30 percent of the purchasing for houses on the market every month.

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I'm going to go with the actual statistics here. Not this blog post.

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, sure. Actual data makes me a clown. You're entitled to your opinion

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] expr@programming.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago

Just to point out, with the median mortgage at $2349 a month, it's more like you need a household income of $93,000 a year (probably closer to $100k with utilities and other expenses) for your housing costs to equal 30% of your income. That is steep for a lot of people, but still much more attainable than 7 figures. A quick Google says that makes up around 37% of US households as of 2022. Still doesn't quite add up to their figures, admittedly, unless "nearly half" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

[-] pyrflie@lemm.ee 35 points 2 weeks ago

I literally cannot remember a point in my life when I wasn't spending half or more of my income on rent/mortgage.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

same. I remember being told 1/3 was the ideal, and thinking "you aren't spending twice that?"

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

I'm wondering if the people in this thread who are saying they pay less than 30% of their income on rent as if it's some sort of trick or achievement actually understand percentages since they don't seem to understand that the "nearly half" part of the headline puts them in the majority...

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Same people that refuse a pay raise because they don’t understand the core concept of tax tables.

[-] irotsoma@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

I don't know anyone spending less than half of their income on housing.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

they make your walls so thin so you can hear your landlord masturbating to this

[-] Gerudo@lemm.ee 24 points 2 weeks ago

I actually thought 30% housing was the norm for the past 10 years?

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

The goal but never the reality.

[-] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 weeks ago

Ideally rent should be 1/4th or less of your budget

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago
[-] JordanZ@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

I was renting from 2009-2017. My threshold was $1000. Once they raised my rent above that I was out. So in all that time my rent increased ~$100-150. That was for an 1140 sq/ft, 2 bed, 1 bath apartment including the extra I paid for a detached single garage. I looked up the same apartment today. It’s $1750 and they don’t even post the garage prices. I’m gonna say probably $1900 all in for the same thing today. So a ~$900 increase in a similar timespan. Oof.

The apartment wasn’t anything special. Cheap carpet, old appliances but everything worked. It was showing its age but it was being maintained.

I worked in the largest city in the state but got an apartment ~25 miles away cause it was way cheaper than downtown. It was only a couple minutes drive from the highway and a tram station. So commuting wasn’t terrible. For a bit there my work even paid for the tram.

Even back then there was muttering about rent going up for the foreseeable future. Glad I got out of the renting situation cause it’s so much worse than I could have ever imagined.

[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

My rent doubled in five years.

The place I used to rent is also doubled.

Everything doubled.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 17 points 2 weeks ago

We should build and fund more public housing.

Unfortunately, a large chunk of the country doesn't believe the government can or should do anything, so I guess that's a difficult pitch to make.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

This is the solution. Unfortunately in the United States when most people think of government housing you think of run down slums.

We need to follow the examples of Austria's social housing. https://youtu.be/41VJudBdYXY

[-] Maeve@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago

I really liked this, especially since quality, quality of life including ample green space is incorporated. Thank you for sharing.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I really wish we'd get that here but.. it's the US. Profit over people.

[-] Maeve@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago

Yes; I'm wondering if political/natural disaster might accidentally converge to increase the odds?

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

I wish. I'm at a little below half lately.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

And that is only going to go up. In my area at least, the price of rent has gone up ~15% per year for the last 5 years. In 5 more years the apartment I was renting will cost more per year than my house payment.

[-] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago

Your daily reminder that basic housing should be absolutely zero fucking dollars because housing should be a human right, and anything above 0% should be criminal.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I know that rent has gone up, but you definitely can hack it. I never spent more than 30% of my take home pay on rent. I managed that by looking at places that fit my budget or living with roommates. Pretty much you won’t have very good luck if you’re a single person trying to rent your own place though. In terms of finding places within budget, I always avoided any type of new buildings built in the last five to ten years or so. The cost of those is usually highest. They’ll promise flashy amenities, but it’s usually not worth it. Also, avoid corporate landlords. If you can, find a mom and pop landlord that’s been in business for awhile. They usually have better deals and don’t go up on rent every year provided you’re a good tenant that pays on time and doesn’t cause any stresses for them. You’ll have the best luck with this if you stick to places where people list their own properties like Craigslist, Facebook marketplace, etc. Avoid spots that corporate landlords use like apartments.com.

Edit: Or, don’t. Ignore this advice and pay through the nose. You’ll be renting forever.

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