Lmao
Packs boxes at Amazon; believes he is skilled labor and fast food workers aren't.
Buddy, you're closer to being replaced by a machine than the burger flipper.
Them believing that they are skilled labor tells you all about the value of their opinion.
Flipping burgers and packing boxes are both skilled labour. There's no such thing as unskilled labour.
One can imagine just walking in blind and getting an order to do X of something right now without any guidance.
Drag doesn't know how to make a big mac. Drag doesn't know the procedure for packing an Amazon box. Drag doesn't know how to turn on the stove or where to find the tape. And drag sure couldn't do it as fast as the pros, even with instruction.
Drag is here to take your orders and ruin them in 3-5 business days.
OK, so what skill is needed to put Box A into Box B where Box B is three times the size of Box A?
What does the training involve?
Are there really people out there who can't do that (excluding reasons like physical disability)?
Aircraft engineers and mechanics used to be considered unskilled labor until the 1950s. They were only "reclassified" during the Cold War because there weren't enough people going into the profession to keep up with the demand.
My tech who knows how to take and read basic vital signs, flip granny like a pancake and wash her genitals without giving her an infection, walk her to the bathroom without yanking her IV out or cracking her head on the floor, the basic legal aspects of a psych admission, and the basics of psychosis, mania, etc well enough to briefly counsel a patient on their symptoms and which ones are important enough to notify me about-
-makes 16 an hour. Not that the warehouse worker doesn't deserve a living wage, but to call that skilled labor, and especially more skilled labor than food service is frankly delusional.
Even my partner who does work in food service knows more than the warehouse worker because he knows the biology and chemistry of food safety and sanitation, prevention of allergen cross contamination, knife / sharps safety, and fire and fire extinguisher classifications and how to put out a grease fire-
-and that was before he got a job in the hospital kitchen where he also learned about specialized medical diets including food and drink thicknesses and consistencies, sodium and carb restrictions, and even safety trays for violent and suicidal patients.
What's in that warehouse training? How to lift with your knees instead of your back and rotating stock? Storage temperatures? Because food service does all that too. The only thing they might know more about than a food service worker is how to use a forklift, and that's only if their employer thought they were intelligent and level headed enough to bother training on one, and this post does not evidence those qualities.
lol packing boxes at Amazon being skilled labor in comparison to the burger dudes. Like, my dude, you're about half a step above the dude putting a burger together then packing a bag with it, and I'm being generous.
You need a permit to handle food.
Was literally going to say... there's more regulations/certifications in food prep, both for the business itself and the workers, than a lot of other jobs.
Packing a box seems easier than operating the machines at mcdos. Timing the operation, consistency, time pressure, angry clients, ...
That right there is why I'm hoping the xeet was sarcasm tbh.
I think we're all missing the point here, and this is how they divide us. (By they I mean monied interests). Back in the 60s you could get a job air hammering in the same 8 bolts all day that would provide you a house, car, and your spouse doesn't work and you have 2 kids and go on vacation twice a year and the company takes care of your retirement. Both of these jobs (in ops post) require the same or more skill to do and you can't even afford to rent a studio apartment on your own. We need to stop looking at other "unskilled" labor and saying "they better not make a much as me" and start asking "hold on, why can't we both make more?" Rising tides lift all ships. The only people that suffer are the multi millionaires.
This isnt radical. If you work full time you should be able to afford what your parents and grandparents had in the 60s working full time.
Honest labor is honest labor, whatever it's moping the floor or engineering new bridges and rockets. We need each other. And we all want to have a sufficient amount of these funny play-money papers once we clock out for today, or, rather, not feeling limited by the lack of them up to the point of starvation.
It's getting to the point that just renting an illegal basement "apartment" requires 2 incomes in some places... I make $30/hr and almost half my income goes to this shit garage apartment I live in... Forget "legitimate" apartments, those prices are just absolute insanity.
Without looking at "professional" college degree required jobs, the VAST majority of jobs out there pay barely over $20/hr where I am... Where are you going to live on that kind of garbage?
I cannot stand the focus on "family income." It completely ignores the experience of the individual and lumps multiple incomes together to try to claim that people are doing well... Yeah well fuck me for being undesirable and permanently single.
I want Amazon fulfillment center workers to be paid a living wage, but calling some of those jobs “skilled” is stretch.
Don't blame the worker for results of working conditions they didn't create.
Amazon is known for micromanaging every aspect of warehouse work, do you really think Amazon lets workers take the time and initiative to select which type of box a thing gets put into? Hell no, all the company cares about is getting shit shipped as fast as possible.
This is a symptom of Amazon's management, not the fault of any one worker.
Ugh.. Dumbasses must've been terrible at Tetris.
But seriously, that box took up so much erroneous space on the transporting vehicle, displacing other boxes that had to move to yet more vehicles. The extra emissions from these failed attempts at protecting the item (which is pushed up against the wall of the box, vulnerable anyways), is sad.
Working at McDonald's fucking sucks. They deserve far more in hazard pay.
Those bathrooms are proof those employees don't receive the hazard pay they should to clean those things. Mcdonalds.
Crab ass mentality. You should be asking why you get paid so little not keeping everyone else down
And the fast food shit is probably about as skilled as packing Amazon boxes the fuck you on about
Bro, I went to college and got a degree in packinology. Not everyone is qualified to use scotch tape and bubble wrap. You know how many people die every year choking on packing peanuts?
A brain sturgeon ain’t got shit on me.
My guy if you can learn the job first day off the street it is unskilled labor
Which is why the very idea of "unskilled labour" is ableist.
I had to work with an occupational therapist for 2 weeks to learn how to wash my dishes at home without having injuries or breaking my dishes. I could not have walked into a job as a fry cook just because it's entry level and "unskilled". I'd need to learn some skills first.
There's no such thing as unskilled labour for me personally, because any labour requires skill when your body or mind is disabled.
Did it take 4 years of school and another year or two on the job training to get proficient? There is such a thing as unskilled labor even if you personally have to work harder at it due to the cards you've been dealt.
I thankfully haven't had to do physical therapy, but from what I hear, it's painful and no fun if you're doing it right...hope your dishes are getting easier, friend.
Stephen King taught me that cracking eggs is skilled labor for homeless alcoholic vampire-slaying priests
I hate to break it to that guy but packing boxes isn't skilled labor either.
All labour is skilled labour. If you have to be trained how to do something it’s a skill.
You think packing boxes is just putting things in boxes but I’m sure there is more to it, particularly when working for dystopian Amazon where they’re very strict with KPIs.
People called it unskilled labour as a means to pay people less.
Given the size of the boxes my Amazon stuff comes in you'd have to be extremely challenged not to be able to get that stuff in there. They're not exactly solving the Knapsack Packing Problem multiple times a day.
My understanding is some algorithm decides what size box to use for an order, the packer packs that box.
The skill comes from the repetition of doing the task to become efficient enough not to be taken out back and put down by Bezos.
It's a skill. Just a lower skill, as it's not that hard to learn or become good at it.
All Labor is skilled Labor.
No. "Skilled labour" means that you're hiring someone because of a skill or training they already have.
A carpenter is skilled labour because you expect a carpenter to already be able to work with wood. Your not going to train them from scratch on the job. They'll already have served as an apprentice or been trained in some other way.
A fork lift driver would need to have a license before you hired them. Skilled labour.
Somebody packing boxes or flipping burger is "unskilled labour". On day 1 you'll be taught the job. There will be no prerequisite skills needed. It doesn't mean "there's no skill in this job", just that "there is no requirement to have a skill to apply this job".
They get taught the job, making them... skilled?
A carpenter gets an apprenticeship for 2-3 years where they get taught the job, does that make it unskilled as well?
Some jobs are easier to learn than others, that doesn't mean they're easier or worth less, or require no skills.
TIL putting stuff in boxes is skilled labor but flipping burgers isn't.
/Eyeroll
Yes putting shit in a box truly requires specialized skills you dumbass twat waffle.
Learn to fucking stand with your follow workers.
I sit at a desk at home, send emails, and make calls and get paid comparatively handsomely - these people have to stand over searing hot griddles, deep friers, and industrial equipment, risking serious injury at any moment for (close to) minimum wage. Doesn't seem right to me.
The difference in pay is easier to understand if we keep the time increments the same:
Dude: $16/hr
Bezos: $9,000,000/hr
Bezos makes 562,500 times as much.
Edit: added a missing zero
I agree with your point, but I'm struggling with your numbers... Is it $9,000.00/hr or $900,000/HR?
Editting myself to add: either is a horrific amount for one man to earn
"Everything is going as planned. The propaganda will continue. Capitalism. 'Murica."
"Why aren't the rich people being allowed to hurt other workers more than me? What do you mean those other workers are standing up for themselves? I am very mad about this!"
I've said it before .. and I'll say it again.
I rather a dude handling my food get paid better than someone touching cardboard.
No balls on my food is preferred over no balls on my Amazon packages.
But really fudge all that. Eat the rich!
Either way it's Labor and the profit should be shared with the person doing the work. Sure it took Capital and risk to set the whole thing up, there's costs involved with running the warehouse, etc. So I'd course it's not split. But the dildo at the top shouldn't be taking the Lion's share.
am I the only one who understood this as the dude claiming the burguers flippers being the skilled labour, as in, trying to show solidarity?
I took it as the total reverse.
That he "doing skilled labor" packing boxes at Amazon is above somebody "flipping burgers" at McDonald's.
Real question: is box packing at an Amazon fulfillment center considered "skilled" labor? If so, so is flipping burgers, I would assume. In which case, what exactly is unskilled labor? I thought it was basically any job you can get/do without any degrees, formal prior training, and/or certifications.
As far as I can tell, this is two eminently replaceable, definitionally unskilled laborers hating each other over who is getting fucked over harder.
Crabs in a bucket
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