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I find it odd that when filling out a form that asked me what my religion is one of the choices is Atheist.

What now? That is the that opposite of religion.

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[-] MinusPi@pawb.social 87 points 2 weeks ago

Atheism is a religion the same way bald is a hair color.

[-] Nednarb44@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

I told a religious buddy of mine that atheism is a religion the same way "off" is a TV channel. He struggled to comprehend how that's even possible lol

[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 18 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks; I'm stealing that!

[-] Kintarian@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago

Philosophically, that's true. But I understand putting it in the religion column for the purpose of statistics. And 'none' and 'atheist' are two different possible answers. You can have no religion but believe very fervently in a god of your own conception.

[-] Mk23simp 21 points 2 weeks ago

That sounds more like "Other" than "None".

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Why? If you worship a god but don't subscribe to any dogma, accept any scripture or listen to any religious authority, you have no religion. You're just a theist.

[-] Mk23simp 6 points 2 weeks ago

I guess it depends on your definition of religion. To me, it sounds like a personal religion, even if just one person believes in it. There are any number of religions too small to be included in their list, probably, so they should have an "Other" option, and that seems like the best fit for someone who has a personal set of religious beliefs that do not align with a listed religion.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Or you could just keep it how it's always been for the purposes of easy tabulation.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Why? If you worship a god but don’t subscribe to any dogma, accept any scripture or listen to any religious authority, you have no religion. You’re just a theist.

~~Except atheism is literally a lack of belief in a god or deity. If you believe in some type of deity, you're not an atheist. by default.~~ Edit: I missread that. Sorry. Too much coffee and not enough sleep can cause halicuinations

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[-] essell@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I suspect Satanists and others on the left hand path would disagree but I agree you're functionally correct

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I would suggest that various flavors of Satanism have a dogma, and more than one version has scriptures, be they LaVey's book or the Satanic Temple's tenets.

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[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 2 weeks ago

I like the idea of putting “none.” I’m gonna start doing that instead of atheist.

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[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Atheism is not a religion or worldview.

Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god or God's.

Many atheists including myself adhere to the statement of simply being unconvinced that there is a God or having no credible evidence to indicate a God's existence.

Maybe the form we were filling out legitimately needed that information but typically outside of a very specific set of data. I don't see why any form would ever ask you what your religion or lack of religion might be.

Surely atheism is the belief in the lack of a god. Agnosticism is the lack of belief in a god.

[-] Bahnd@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Sorta, break down the roots of the words. Atheists activly deny that there is are gods (anti-theism), Agnostics (a-gnostic) are those who dont know, are unconvinced or those who simply dont care. If you really want to be pedantic (annoy your religious friends), point out that most theists are also atheists in a sense as they deny all gods, except for their own.

Exactly. Lack of belief in gods is not the same as actively denying that there are gods.

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[-] bastion@feddit.nl 5 points 2 weeks ago

Atheism is, in point if fact, a world view.

There is a world. You have a perspective on that world. The assumptions you make and the things you believe, rational and irrational, are a world view. The concept that there is (or is not) credible evidence that gods, or planets, or whatever fundamental facets of existence, imaginary or otherwise, are either a world view themselves or are deeply rooted in your world view.

Q: does your world include unicorns? A: i don't know.

The answer stems from having a world view that does not categorically include nor exclude unicorns. But more to the point, when answering questions like:

Q: what is most likely the source of existence? A:

The answer, if actually responding to the question, is a world view, or deeply tied to a world view.

As to forms: forms are often limiting and don't include information we consider relevant, or do include information we consider irrelevant. So it goes. In any case, they would ask that information precisely because world views provide broad but effective indicators about an individual. Knowing that a large incoming group of hotel guests is Christian, for example, can be a useful metric, because you'll know that your hotel will make above-average pay-to-watch porn sales that weekend.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It is NOT a world view for the simple, basic, fundamental fact, that not all atheists believe the same thing.

Much, much less congruent than even "Christian". 'Not Christian" is also not a world view, for the same fucking reason, numpty.

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[-] echo@lemmings.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Atheist is not a statement about your religion at all. I'm also an atheist and my 'religion' is basically secular humanist. Yours could be none, Unitarian Universalist, Buddhist, secular humanist, or any others that are compatible.

[-] Halasham@dormi.zone 14 points 2 weeks ago

I don't intend this to be harsh or negative but I don't know how to phrase this nicely;

Secular Humanism is a philosophy, not a religion. Religions are faith-based while philosophies are based in some logical argumentation. The muddling of religion with philosophy linguistically serves only to tarnish philosophy and lend undue credence to religion. That language is so flexible can be beneficial but it can equally be detrimental when used like this.

[-] echo@lemmings.world 6 points 2 weeks ago
  1. I put religion in quotes to try to appease this take.
  2. You are being exceedingly literal and selective in your definition of religion.
  3. Ceding all rights to the word 'religion' to the xtian fundamentalists is not a good strategy.
  4. Your extreme position limits your ability to bridge with others which also limits your ability to affect change.
  5. I've had my 'militant atheist' phase and shared your inflexibility in the past. It wasn't healthy for me and it wasn't helpful for anyone.
[-] EvenOdds@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think there is anything "militant atheist" in the post you replied to.

I also consider myself a secular humanist, but would never describe myself as religious.

I think that normalising not having a religion would help to bring tolerance for people who have differing opinions, while calling secular humanist a religious view may reinforce a bias in some people that "you can't be good without religion".

[-] Halasham@dormi.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago
  • Thanks.
  • The differentiation I used wasn't my own words, I got it from here, I figured I shouldn't go off just my own take. I suppose I should have specified that from the beginning.
  • I suppose there's a case to be made for that.
  • I don't see how you've got that I have an extreme position from 'Religions are faith-based while philosophies are based in some logical argumentation.'
  • Noted. I suppose I could try to find something not abhorrent about faith. I've long since stopped being angry about it but I'm still very much an Antitheist.
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[-] Kintarian@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Wow, I just read about secular humanism, and it seems to be pretty much exactly how I feel about things. The human race could, through science, understanding, and cooperation, solve most of the problems that we are faced with. I like that.

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[-] wabafee@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Just put Pastafarianism

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Depends if you define religion as 'act of worship', or 'belief aystem', I guess. Bhuddism would fail the first, but not the second.

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[-] uriel238 6 points 2 weeks ago

The closest I have to religion is naturalist, which is to say based on the data I have, I can't find any evidence anywhere of supernatural effects, and while I haven't personally done the looking, the scientific consensus is that there's nothing, even when it comes to religious investigators actively looking for evidence of the stuff they expect to see.

To date, there are some pretty high bounties on evidence of various kinds of spooky shit that remain unclaimed.

Of course, I don't know this to be the case. The simulation hypothesis has not been ruled out, which would allow for effects we cannot detect. It doesn't stop me from worshiping my cat. (Cat-huffing. It's a thing.) And it raises questions whether we are the same person when we wake up after non-REM sleep, or a new iteration of the identity. (The transporter paradox). But so far, the most likely explanation is we're material girls living in a material world.

[-] Kintarian@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

In my opinion, if somebody states that there's something spooky going on, then the onus is on them to provide evidence and prove what they're saying. I don't have to do anything.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Don't we have spooky quarks? I know we have strange ones, and charm quarks... Feels like we should have spooky quarks.

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

"isn't it spooky how all the evidence just ups and dissapppears when you look at it?!"

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[-] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 5 points 2 weeks ago

Same. Goes to show how much thought and care has been put into it.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago

Since 'atheism' means 'without religion' it's the same as putting in "none."

imho

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

its because if it was just none christians would count it as people who are just undecided and haven't accepted jesus.

[-] Grogon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

In my country we have "Konfessionslos" -> non-denominational.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Non-denominational is still religious/spiritual here, like Christians that aren't affiliated with a specific church.

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