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"After extensive consultation, discussion, and deliberation, the American Muslim 2024 Election Task Force has decided to encourage American Muslims to vote for any presidential candidate of their choosing who supports a permanent ceasefire in Gaza and a US arms embargo on the Israeli government, such as candidates Dr Jill Stein, Dr Cornel West or Chase Oliver," read the statement, obtained by Middle East Eye.

The statement was written by the American Muslim 2024 Election Task Force, an umbrella group formed this year that consists of a number of prominent Muslim organisations including the political arms of Americans for Justice in Palestine (AJP), Cair, and the US Council of Muslim Organizations.

"We cannot endorse Vice President Kamala Harris’ candidacy because of her refusal to even consider imposing the arms embargo on the Israeli government required by US laws and her failure to promise any other changes whatsoever to President Biden's failed policy of steadfast financial, diplomatic and military support for Israel's genocide in Gaza," the statement read.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 67 points 1 month ago

And if they bleed away enough people from Harris, that guarantees a Trump win. A 3rd party cannot win. The only alternative to Harris is Trump.

You know, the guy who wants Israel to kill people faster:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d

 “They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”

Who wants to revoke the citizenship from Americans:

https://www.aclu.org/documents/trump-administrations-plan-strip-citizenship-thousands-americans

Detain them in concentration camps:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-does-not-rule-out-building-detention-camps-mass-deportations-2024-04-30/

And do the same thing to Mexico that Israel does to Lebanon:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-mexico-military-cartels-war-on-drugs-1234705804/

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 month ago

Sounds like Harris needs to try to win back disaffected Muslim-Americans turned away by her promise to continue genocide.

[-] philo@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 month ago

No, it sounds like disaffected people need to stop helping Trump win and start thinking.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 month ago

It sounds like the Democrats need to stop aiding and abetting genocide if they want their votes.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago

Ah yes, it's never the candidate's fault. Only the voters can be to blame.

[-] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

Democrats can never fail, they can only be failed

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago

Easy to say when you aren't the target. It is the job of a politician to win over voters they are shedding.

Your line of thinking is that over half of Muslim-American voters simply "aren't thinking," which borders on racist. Instead, think about why they are doing what they are doing, and how that can change.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Problem: She's not advocating for continued genocide:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris-face-black-journalists-questions-philadelphia-2024-09-17/

Speaking in Philadelphia to the National Association of Black Journalists, she called for a ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian Hamas militants, a two-state solution and Middle East stability in a way that does not empower Iran.

Repeatedly:

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/23/g-s1-19232/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-dnc

She and President Biden are still pushing for a cease-fire deal that sees the hostages released, the fighting in Gaza to end and so "Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self determination."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0lx2xgn55o

Ms Harris said "far too many" civilians had been killed "yet again"and reiterated calls for a hostage deal and a ceasefire, echoing comments made by the White House.

None of that is "pro-genocide".

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 month ago

This is a continuation of Biden's genocidal policies, not a new promise to end the genocide. The DNC is losing heavily in optics, so they are trying to fight optics with empty promises while maintaning unending support for Israel's "Right to Defend Itself." If you have any knowledge of Israel's existence as a settler-colonial apartheid state, or why the US will always support it, then you know that Harris's promises are hollow and empty, and signify continued genocide.

Here's a simple thought experiment: why has the US historically supported Israel, and how would that change?

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No, Harris and the Biden administration are pretending to push for a ceasefire deal, and Harris is pretending to give a shit about Palestinian civilians. They could have stopped this at any time with a phone call; it’s been done before.

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[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 month ago

The Biden admin has corrupted "ceasefire" to mean "pause in the fighting to get the hostages back". Biden has made a big show of cursing out Bibi on the phone and other performative bullshit, but he has not strayed from Israel's side even as they've betrayed him and promoted Trump. Harris is the same, giving lip service to human rights activists and bombs to genociders.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How do you achieve those things without a weapons embargo? Harris has said that there will never be an embargo.

She hasn't even given the vaguest clue as to what her plan is. She's just "working on it". "24/7", she says, and yet she somehow still has time to go to rallies.

To add insult to injury, the Democrats wouldn't even allow a Palestinian-American to speak during their convention. They allowed a bunch of Republicans to speak, but not a single Palestinian-American Democrat.

I heard the speech that the Palestinian-American rep wanted to give. There was nothing in it that should've upset the DNC. It didn't even mention an embargo!

If the Democrats keep spitting in your face, how long do you keep giving them your votes?

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Starts off saying Trump is worse and then turns to straight up lying and misinformation. Classic.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago

Maybe democrats should've thought of that before participating in a genocide.

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[-] BlucifersVeinyAnus@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 month ago

Smart.

We should give trump another turn… that’ll be good for Muslims I bet.

[-] anarcho_blinkenist@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 month ago

Hey, bud, I'm betting the actual Muslims who are affected probably have a better grasp of the situation and their values and associated risks/benefits behind their own advocacy and politics than your (presumably highly privileged) disconnected-from-their-struggle self; and inserting yourself to belittle them as if you know better than they theymselfs what's 'good for them,' is a very chauvinist and colonialist outlook and a reinforcement of white supremacist norms and attitudes. You should try listening rather than projecting and belittling.

[-] BlucifersVeinyAnus@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Unfortunately we have a 2 party system.

A or B

A sucks and B is much worse

Voting for C or abstaining is a passive endorsement of the greater of the two sucks.

If you and the Muslim community want to hump for a third party, good, let’s fucken talk about getting that started…

The day AFTER Election Day. —

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

The day after election day. The day on which you no longer have any leverage.

Liberals and an inability to grasp electoralism. Name a more iconic duo.

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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

None of that has anything to do with it.

This is the issue at hand: https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

There's a legitimate mathematical limitation on 3rd parties under first past the post voting, the way America does elections. Until we get ranked choice voting and the ability to vote intelligently that it would unlock, failing to vote for Kamala is voting for trump.

[-] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago

failing to vote for Kamala is voting for trump.

No, it's literally not. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump. A vote for Cornel West or Jill Stein is exactly a vote for Cornel West or Jill Stein.

If you want to argue the math and the practicality of who people vote for in our current system, fine, but don't gaslight people by telling them that their vote for one candidate is actually a vote for a different candidate.

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[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 12 points 1 month ago

There was an article posted in another magazine thread that spoke about needing to iterate America's core values. What are they? Freedom to starve and be homeless, or be locked up and become a chattel slave, or work several jobs as s wage slave; freedom of press owned by a handful of superwealthy people and corporations, many of whom are in the energy and arms industries; freedom of low quality food that contain carcinogenic pesticide residues, colors, flavors and growth hormones and routine antibiotics. Freedom to die from easily treatable conditions because you can't afford care of medications, even if you purchase mandated Medicare?

Justice? For whom? The people who are incarcerated because of fabricated evidence of having to take plea deals because you can't afford a good lawyer? The ones executed, despite exculpatory evidence? How about executive branch government members who lead insurrection, or legislators that make insider trading legal for themselves but not us, or of the legislative branch who take gifts of great monetary value and have loans forgiven?

How about too big to fail industries?

Freedom of speech? Two tiered.

Profit at the expense of all else; making sure the USD remains the world reserve currency, by manufacturing fake wmds to invade a sovereign nation, so that nation would not convert their UN food-for-oil account from petrodollar to Petroeuro? Taking foreign money to defeat more progressive candidates that would absolutely vote not to support genocide with money, weapons, air support? Conveniently forgetting concern over certain nations' infatuation with Nazi idealism to continue the tired red scare propaganda?

Guns!

What are America's core values?

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[-] BigLime@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 month ago

Let me just say to those who say voting for a third party candidate is a waste of a vote, it is not. Either way, the person who wins will see how many votes that candidate got, and will know that that is the way many people FEEL about a specific issue. Then they will have to cater to that view in someway.

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[-] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago

BlueMAGA out in force against this article

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