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US: Muslim groups urge voters to back Jill Stein, Cornel West or other pro-Palestine candidates
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Problem: She's not advocating for continued genocide:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris-face-black-journalists-questions-philadelphia-2024-09-17/
Speaking in Philadelphia to the National Association of Black Journalists, she called for a ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian Hamas militants, a two-state solution and Middle East stability in a way that does not empower Iran.
Repeatedly:
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/23/g-s1-19232/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-dnc
She and President Biden are still pushing for a cease-fire deal that sees the hostages released, the fighting in Gaza to end and so "Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self determination."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0lx2xgn55o
Ms Harris said "far too many" civilians had been killed "yet again"and reiterated calls for a hostage deal and a ceasefire, echoing comments made by the White House.
None of that is "pro-genocide".
This is a continuation of Biden's genocidal policies, not a new promise to end the genocide. The DNC is losing heavily in optics, so they are trying to fight optics with empty promises while maintaning unending support for Israel's "Right to Defend Itself." If you have any knowledge of Israel's existence as a settler-colonial apartheid state, or why the US will always support it, then you know that Harris's promises are hollow and empty, and signify continued genocide.
Here's a simple thought experiment: why has the US historically supported Israel, and how would that change?
And what about Trump winning is going to make that better? I don't get it.
Nothing. Harris won't make it better either, both major candidates support genocide.
Ah yes. BoTh SIDes are completely the same. You're not even slightly offended by calls to "Finish them" from the republicans? Written on an Israeli bomb?
They talk differently, but you have yet to identify how that is not also what Harris wants
Harris: Literally supports the ongoing genocide and promises that she will keep arming the genocider, but says that she supports the victims (while doing nothing to support them
Trump: Voices explicit support for Israel's ongoing genocide, the one Biden is bankrolling and Harris swears up and down she will support
Liberals pretending to care about human life: "Can't you see the substantial practical difference here?"
Oh, have you officially inducted me into being a secret Republican now? Please, keep displaying your crankery, it makes supporters of democrats look as deranged as they are.
Who do you want to win the presidential election?
I don't care which neoliberal party wins one specific presidential election. I don't think on alarmist timelines where every successive election is The Most Important Election of Our Lifetime and carries a totalizing importance that makes all the rest of the future a footnote. What I care more about are the substantive elements of party platforms and how those platforms change, and if one of them can change at all, it's the Democrats.
And you propose to bring about that change by.... ?
Putting pressure on her. If she wants to win, she needs to pivot on Palestine. If she chooses not to, she is choosing for Trump to win rather than for Palestine to stop being genocided. It is her job to get votes if democracy actually exists in this country, not the job of the people to vote for her.
This does have the very real potential consequence of Trump winning, neither I nor anyone else here as hesitated to say that. However, Trump does not represent a totalizing threat like I described in my last comment. He toys with fascist rhetoric, but he is in no way a serious fascist the way someone like Ron DeSantis or Tom Cotton is. My interest is in creating a serious left opposition prior to them being the Republican frontrunners, because this "wait until next election, now wait until next election" is just a stalling tactic to prevent the left from making any progress with the Democrats move further and further right, taking up old Republican policies like Trump's old immigration policy.
Liberals pretending Leftists are Republicans because Leftists also hate liberals will never not be funny.
Does it make the bomb stronger? If Harris cries when the next shipment goes, does it misfire?
If you can't understand how holding candidates accountable is important, then what else is there to tell you. This isn't about Trump making anything better, it's about withholding vote from a candidate that does not represent you.
No, Harris and the Biden administration are pretending to push for a ceasefire deal, and Harris is pretending to give a shit about Palestinian civilians. They could have stopped this at any time with a phone call; it’s been done before.
The Biden admin has corrupted "ceasefire" to mean "pause in the fighting to get the hostages back". Biden has made a big show of cursing out Bibi on the phone and other performative bullshit, but he has not strayed from Israel's side even as they've betrayed him and promoted Trump. Harris is the same, giving lip service to human rights activists and bombs to genociders.
How do you achieve those things without a weapons embargo? Harris has said that there will never be an embargo.
She hasn't even given the vaguest clue as to what her plan is. She's just "working on it". "24/7", she says, and yet she somehow still has time to go to rallies.
To add insult to injury, the Democrats wouldn't even allow a Palestinian-American to speak during their convention. They allowed a bunch of Republicans to speak, but not a single Palestinian-American Democrat.
I heard the speech that the Palestinian-American rep wanted to give. There was nothing in it that should've upset the DNC. It didn't even mention an embargo!
If the Democrats keep spitting in your face, how long do you keep giving them your votes?
Starts off saying Trump is worse and then turns to straight up lying and misinformation. Classic.
Come on, say Russian bot, I'm almost there!
Indeed. Only Democrats would be as hypocritical pretend to be pro-Palestine while actually advocating for the Genocide of Palestinians.
I think you're confusing me with Nikki "Finish them" Haley and Donald J "King of Israel" Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
What they are saying and what they are doing differ. Not only they are evil but they are also liars. They are lying to you too jordanlund.
Not quite.
Israel is a vassal state. It requires US support to continue genocide. The US supports Israel because Israel serves as a Bulwark for Imperialism in the Middle East to help ensure US Interests are respected. The genocide in Gaza is specifically a result of the entire Zionist project of Settler-Colonialism. It isn't an expression of Biden and Harris' will, but of their undying loyalty to the economic interests of the US Empire.
Consider reading To stop Marx, they made Zion. Zionism is Antisemetic, fascist, and predicated on genocide.
An ethno-state is fascist? Who would've thought?
As far as being antisemitic...if you love people, you don't want to ship them off to some faraway country in the middle of the desert. It's basically saying "Hey, we don't want to deal with antisemitism in our country, so could you all just move to this other country instead? K thanx."
White supremacists and other racists love ethno-states. They think that every country should be like Israel. In fact, they want to turn the US into a country like Israel, except based around whiteness instead of Jewishness.
You can lead a liberal to analysis, but you can't make them read, I suppose.