Anon quits their job : greentext

[-] ettyblatant@lemmy.world 140 points 10 months ago

I worked with someone who did this. It was the HR person. She just didn't show up one day, didn't answer her phone or door. For a solid week. After a wellness check by the police, it was revealed that she was fine, just couldn't go back in to work because she hated her job so much.

I was young, and it was a shitty grocery chain filled with shitty management and shitty customers. I 100% thought she had killed herself, or skipped town for some other awful reason. It was a relief to hear she was OK. Fuck that store.

[-] match@pawb.social 20 points 10 months ago

what if we organized the workers but instead of striking we all just don't show up and gaslight the regional management into thinking everything's fine

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 80 points 10 months ago

people think I died

receives flowers

Checks note that came with them

"Get well soon."

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Maybe they didn’t actually think you died, and you’re just making bold assumptions.

[-] whostosay@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

It's not wise to make fun of zombies.

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 68 points 10 months ago

That reminds me when I missed the first day of teaching because of a really bad flu causing me to lose track of the dates, I got a very concerned call from my advisor who thought I offed myself. Apparently not too uncommon for underpaid adjunct professors, unfortunately.

[-] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago

When I was in grad school I knew a guy who just simply didn't teach for half the semester. No contact with students, no classes held, just didn't show. He gave everyone a passing grade on the midterm and came back halfway through. No explanation. He was not fired. Of course, like the rest of us, he was grossly underpaid and didn't have health insurance. I guess they get what they get if they're gonna treat us like cogs, right?

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 59 points 10 months ago

This is advanced ghosting.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

It’s proactive.

I ghost people before they even don’t give me their number.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 40 points 10 months ago

3 month bullshit for resign? What kind of work contract is that?

[-] Draghetta@lemmy.world 61 points 10 months ago

Let me introduce you to Europe

[-] oce@jlai.lu 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

To be fair this is a counterpart for being harder to get fired compared to some USA states. It makes the economy less fast to adjust but it makes people's life less stressful.

[-] Draghetta@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago

IDK my man, having three months of forewarning for resignation sounds pretty cool to me. I don’t really see it as a downside. Especially in Italian law, where you can avoid making things awkward by agreeing with your employer to make the resignation time as short as you both want, as long as those three months are paid out. Blessed.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 7 points 10 months ago

It could make you miss you a job opening that needs someone earlier. Hadn't have the issue myself, but I guess it happens.

[-] Draghetta@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

If you’re hopping within the country, usually the local culture is adapted. I never had issues with it, employers expect you to have a resignation period.

Plus as I was saying companies don’t really like to have a working quitter, so they will usually negotiate for that time to be shortened. Maybe one month so you can transfer your knowledge to somebody else, then you’re out - with the three months money, naturally.

[-] zout@fedia.io 6 points 10 months ago

Three months would be excessive in the Netherlands. The legal minimum is one calendar month. When you resign you can always negotiate to shorten the period, but most of the time people will work the remainder of the contract. Also, your new employer might actually think there is something wrong if you can quit your current job faster than the one month.

[-] Draghetta@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Yeah one month is the standard practice here too, as a negotiated shortening of the three month notice. It’s good to have the other two months paid out, that’s all I’m saying.

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[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

You wouldn't because everyone is expecting you to do the right, corporate thing, so they'll gladly wait for you to gracefully terminate your old job.

In tech anyways.

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[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Europe's economy is like an old Volvo. It's slow but full of safety features in case your hit something. USA's economy is like a classic Ford Mustang. It goes really fast on the straight but when you hit a bump things can go horribly wrong quickly. ~Mark Blyth

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Depends on the country. Where I live, the maximum permitted by law is 30 days (unless both the employer and the employee agree on a different termination period). That goes for both firing and quitting.

[-] Draghetta@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Yes of course it does, but standardised employment contract are rather common in Europe - at least in the few countries I worked in, YMMV. There are exceptions of course, but I imagine for Americans the idea of state laws mandating your entitlement to three months of salaries plus severance money must sound outlandish.

[-] cheddar@programming.dev 4 points 10 months ago

Stop calling it Europe then, you're referring to 2-3 specific countries. There are very different laws and ideas about the "standardized" contract in different countries.

[-] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

I don't know what are you talking about. In my country the standard is two weeks and max one month in special cases. I've participated in the hiring of multiple people from different European countries and they never asked for more than one month to join in, except when they wanted to relocate.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In France, the standard for software engineers is 3 months. Verified with this official source https://code.travail.gouv.fr/outils/preavis-demission. With convention "Bureaux d'études techniques, cabinets d'ingénieurs-conseils et sociétés de conseils".

[-] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

That's crazy. So if they present a same day resignation note they have to pay a three month salary penalty? That's just companies stealing workers' money.

[-] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No, not at all.

If the company fire you they have to pay you, e.g., three months notice, regardless of if they want you to do the work or not.

If you quit without notice, you might have to pay the costs incurred by you quitting early, but that's not your salary -because they now wouldn't be paying you.

Costs might be something like the company having to refuse an order because they now don't have enough people to do the work, or the increased cost of an expedited hiring process.

I don't know how common costs are in France, but the UK has the same rules and essentially no one ever claims costs. You need to really fuck over your employee in a very explicit and well documented way for this to even be considered.

The main disadvantage is you will have a bad reference if you leave without notice.

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[-] oce@jlai.lu 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don't think I understand your comment, who has to pay a penalty? Who's stealing what? You can't do a same day resignation unless the company agrees. If they don't agree, they can ask you to keep working for 3 months, and if you don't come to work, they may declare you abandoned your job. Then, they don't have to pay you, but you're still officially an employee so you can't legally start a new contract, they may ask you for a compensation payment and also sue you for damage.

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[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I have 6 months in Germany, all managers at my company get this. I find it a bit too much, but it can usually be negotiated

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[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It is actually really nice.

It works both ways, if they fire you, you still have a job for 3 months at least. Giving you plenty of time to find a new job. You also get half a day per week (paid) to use for soliciting other companies.

Generally it is more devastating to lose your job than it is to lose an employee. Since you have plenty of other employees who can temporarily fill in, while you generally have only one job that pays for everything you do.

[-] szczuroarturo@programming.dev 8 points 10 months ago

Thats how it works in apparently most of europe. In poland for example its based on your tenure. With 3 month being the max after you work there for more than 3 years. If you are not important enough for the company and want to start your new work earlier it can be negotiated down i think.

[-] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 34 points 10 months ago

I ran away from my site like this one day. I was working as an Engineer Trainee. No one gave a damn. Eventually, I returned after a month or so. Resigned in less than one month after returning. Man, I hate this country with a passion where you are not even treated as a human being, but as a machine.

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 25 points 10 months ago

Many years ago, a woman that worked at the same place, just didn't turn up one day. I think they (the closest thing we had to HR at the time) let this slide for a week, then called her. She just said "Oh, I didn't work to work there any more".

I don't think they pursued it any further and let it at that.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago

I just don't understand that mentality. You burn a bridge, when you could just send an email or something saying you quit and keep the possibility of coming back sometime open. Or if your boss actually liked you, you could have gotten a recommendation, but instead decided to make their life suck.

Just send an email saying you quit, it's really not that hard.

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 2 points 10 months ago

I thought it was weird at the time. The contracts had a notice period in, and it's not like many US states where employment is at-will. The employer is definitely required to give notice (albeit they can send you home and just pay you the notice period, which many do). So I suspect they could have gone after her for that, if they wanted to.

Likely they considered it not worth pursuing, though.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

But if you're going to violate a contract anyway, might as well make dealing with that easier for your direct manager. Maybe you're unwilling to work those three months, but sending an email saying you resign at least helps your boss out. My boss put one of my coworkers on disability leave, for example, instead of firing them (he fired them when they came back after a couple months and the issue wasn't resolved).

But it all starts with actually making the most base level of effort. An email takes like 10 seconds and doesn't need to be long:

Sorry for the short notice, but I can't work here anymore and won't be coming in anymore. Know I'm supposed to give more notice, but I just can't. Sorry again.

As someone that manages people, I'd be annoyed with that, but less annoyed than if someone just stopped showing up. In fact, if they were a decent worker, I might respond with something like this:

Thanks for letting me know. Here's the documentation for short-term disability, if that's what you need. Let me know if you'd like to try that. I've started processing your resignation with the shortest possible term (X days), but I can cancel that if you let my know by . I've told the team you're out sick, so coming back won't be an issue if you choose to.

I hope everything is well, please feel free to reach out, even if you just want to talk.

And if I really didn't like the employee:

Sorry to hear that, thanks for letting me know, I've started processing your resignation. Our policy is 3 months notice, and the consequence for doing that is . I've attached a copy of the company policy for you to review.

Let me know if you need anything further.

Both are better than sending no notice at all.

[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Just show up at your own wake like Beerfest and everything will be fine.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

Even better would be to wear a disguise and speak at your own funeral

[-] Rookwood@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Burnout

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

Free flowers! 🌻

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Florists hate this one trick.

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[-] toynbee@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Yesterday, I (sort of) learned the phrase "implication arrows," from which I learned that I should assume that this story is not true, though the arrows... Imply that it's true. I still don't really get it.

Anyway, I've never held a job where the employer would do more than the bare minimum required by law if I disappeared. Certainly not so much as contacting my family unless there were extenuating circumstances like me verifiably disappearing mid shift. I suspect this is true for most people.

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[-] toynbee@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I've always been skeptical of greentext (and most internet) stories, it's just more fun to suspend one's disbelief.

I'm just still confused about the concept of "implication arrows," heh.

[-] match@pawb.social 3 points 10 months ago

it's referencing a quite old meme of ">implying implications", being that the storytelling style of greentext is wildly unconventional in that it is structured around quoting / citing some external imagery or context, and thereby inviting the reader to infer what the poster is thinking instead of directly stating it

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[-] MuffinHeeler@aussie.zone 5 points 10 months ago

As a manager I would definitely contact an employee's emergency contacts and then request a welfare check if one of my team dropped off the face of the earth. Medical incidents happen and a couple of the team live alone that I know of.

[-] toynbee@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

In that case, you sound like a good manager to have.

I like my current managers, but I think if I stopped showing I'd eventually just stop getting paid. There was a period where I wasn't attending daily meetings because I hadn't received the invitation to them. Eventually I made a comment to my manager that I was glad the current contract didn't require a ridiculous number of meetings and he said something like "what are you talking about? There are daily meetings. We just thought you were out sick or something."

[-] SsxChaos@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

R.i.p anon your green text will be remembered

[-] punkwalrus@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I had an assistant who didn't really need the job, but her parents forced her to have one. She was the youngest, and only girl, of a family of 5 siblings. All her older brothers worked at the race track that their family owned, and she was dating someone they didn't approve of. I liked her boyfriend, he seemed friendly and soft-spoken, but her folks were like "if you're going to date whom you want, you better have a job and live on your own." Well, one day, she got mad because I asked her to work a shift she didn't want to. So she simply didn't show up, which really fucked me over. So I called her up, pretty pissed. No answer.

She didn't show up for 3 days. So I fired her for job abandonment. She didn't really need the job, right? Her parents owned a racetrack.

A week later, her folks called me, and asked if I'd seen her. No, she didn't show up for work ever again. They panicked. "OMFG WE DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE IS!" They immediately assumed her BF kidnapped and/or murdered her. The police were called, an investigation was opened up. Her BF's address showed he'd moved away. I had to sit with the police and go through an interrogation about her last whereabouts. She became a missing person, and once a week for two months, her parents called and asked if I had heard anything. The detective called with more questions. Then her car was found in an impound lot: it had been abandoned and looted in a New Jersey parking garage. Then the calls petered off and stopped.

A year went by, and I assumed the worst.

One day, one of the employees in another store in the mall told me he saw her with her BF. I didn't believe them, but then other people said that they'd seen her, and corroborated some stories she told them. Apparently, she had been planning to run away for some time, and just ran away with her BF and went NC with her family. That didn't work out so well, because both had trouble finding jobs and then their car got carjacked. Both of them were forced to return home, and her parents were forced to reconcile that she was never going to leave her BF.

I was pretty pissed, though, that I thought she was dead.

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