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submitted 10 months ago by Linkerbaan@lemmy.world to c/usa@lemmy.ml

More than a dozen former Ronald Reagan staff members have joined dozens of other Republican figures endorsing the Democratic nominee and vice-president, Kamala Harris, saying their support was “less about supporting the Democratic party and more about our resounding support for democracy”.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 54 points 10 months ago
[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago

They’re trying to reach conservatives that don’t support Trump.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 35 points 10 months ago

They're alienating people who hate Reagan.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

Are they? The campaign is not speaking in support of the Reagan administration. Harris is supported by the former administration over a corrupt and narcissistic megalomaniac.

Personally, I don’t see this as anything other than validation that Trump is that bad.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 27 points 10 months ago

If you get endorsed by Hitler it reflects pretty badly on you.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Putin endorsed Biden, and now Harris. Do you honestly think that he wants Democrats in charge during his invasion of Ukraine? Politics is a game.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago

Right, his endorsement doesn't help. That's my point? Liberals shouldn't be cheering because Reaganites endorsed Harris.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Who said Liberals were cheering? This is aimed at disenfranchised conservatives.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

Do you think conservatives read The Guardian? This is for internal consumption, to make liberals think "wow even Reaganites are on our side, we must be doing something right!"

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[-] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

The liberals cheering is what told me the liberals where cheering. I mean ... Haris even gloated that Ronald Reagon himself would vote for her.

as for disenfranchised conservitives, this is a group that does not exist, like both halvs of the uniparty pander to the conservitive.

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[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

That's a good question, but I think Putin's being honest. Trump is more likely to try to negotiate a peace deal, but if that goes badly, he's also much more likely to order some off-the-wall shit like giving Ukraine ICBMs and permission to use them. Remember this was the guy who was presented with a range of options to retaliate against Iranian sabre-rattling, and for seemingly no reason chose the most extreme, drone striking their top general! There's lots of reason to not want Trump in charge.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago

I read it as the neoliberal warhawks are enthusiastic about a more level-headed maintainer of Empire who has promised the most lethal military in the world and to always support Israel.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Believe it or not, the President does more than determine support for Israel.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago

Yep, but the part that specifically draws the Reaganite fascists to Kamala is her promise to maintain the most lethal military in the world. Forever wars and endless profits for the MIC, endless support for Imperialism.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And Trump has already proven to support Israel’s eradication of Palestinians and expansion into Gaza and the West Bank. Israel is not the point of comparison between them, although Trump is worse for Palestinians.

More money in the hands of the lower and middle classes stimulates the economy and drives stock prices. The middle class is considered the most wasteful class. That consumption drives consumerism, which increases stock value.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

And Trump has already proven to support Israel’s eradication of Palestinians and expansion into Gaza and the West Bank. Israel is not the point of comparison between them. Trump is worse for Palestinians.

Trump is the same as Harris with respect to genocide. He can't just buy bombs on his personal card and ship them via DHL, this is a bipartisan effort because the basis is economic, not moral.

More money in the hands of the lower and middle classes stimulates the economy and drives stock prices. The middle class is considered the most wasteful class. That consumption drives consumerism.

No idea why you're bringing this up.

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[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

The people who are saying this is a deal breaker weren't going to vote for Harris anyway.

Trump is a threat to democracy, stands in direct opposition to the rule of law, embraces authoritarianism, undermines national security, alienates allies while emboldening enemies and rivals, enables nutcases and violent extremists, has called for the constitution to be thrown out, has stated he intends to use the government to persecute his political rivals, has declared that members of his own administration should be executed for being more loyal to the country than to him, and managed to get the Supreme Court to declare the president to be above the law. And that's barely scratching the surface.

Even for conservatives, that list sounds very bad. Bad enough to outweigh major policy disagreements. It really shouldn't be that hard to understand why some of them might be willing to endorse the only viable alternative.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

Trump is a threat to democracy

America doesn't have democracy in the first place.

[-] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

Bush/Cheney STOLE the 2000 election. That was the biggest threat to democracy in my lifetime and now the Dems are welcoming them into the fold.

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[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 12 points 10 months ago

I saw someone theorizing that this helps Republicans down ballot. They give the Dems the presidency, but having more Republicans showing up to vote helps house/senate/whatever local elections swing Republican.

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[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Surely if we go right one more time the mythical moderate republicans will reveal themselves and vote us. Just one more genocide, we got this

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[-] zcd@lemmy.ca 29 points 10 months ago

Even the bloodsucking ghouls prefer Harris, what a timeline

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago
[-] zcd@lemmy.ca 26 points 10 months ago

This is not the good timeline

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

Hey, the US Empire is weakening every day. This is looking to be the good timeline eventually.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 26 points 10 months ago
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[-] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 23 points 10 months ago

In a letter...former Reagan aides and appointees...said they believed that, if alive today, Reagan would have supported Harris.

Reagan was a fascist ghoul. Cheney is a fascist ghoul.

If you think the trump admin was worse than the reagan or bush admins I'm sorry but you lost me. The dems clearly have no place for anti-war leftists theyd rather court bloodthirsty right wing monsters.

[-] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

Their stratagy has always been scream about being the only game intown that is not farther right then them ... at some point that has to break down

[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 22 points 10 months ago

People are imagining this like (if you'd forgive the analogy) Dragon Ball Z, where Vegeta is the big villain and we all need to rally around defeating him, but then an even bigger and more evil villain appears, Frieza, so now we team up with the still-evil Vegeta because he's more good than Frieza.

That's not what this is. This is Reaganites tipping their hand that they and the democrats are fundamentally on the same team, they are all part of the neoliberal establishment, and Trump, in his instability, is rocking the boat.

[-] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 18 points 10 months ago

Democrats are the new Republicans.

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[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago

Blue conservatives.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 14 points 10 months ago

The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

I'm amazed that people are offended when someone they dislike chooses to vote against Trump. I understand the concerns about a "uni party", the military industrial complex, Israel, etc., but can we please agree that Trump needs to stay out of the White House?

Think of it as a Venn diagram. It's OK to agree that Trump is bad.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

These Republicans are not known for caring about Democracy.

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[-] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

We can see how this is bad right. This is just like proof that the Dems today are what RONALD REAGAN was? Like ... this is a thing we can all see, and by Harris not publicly donouncing these endorsements along with Cheney's there is a problem... like an obviousl problem? we all see this right?

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

Dems in 1990 were what Reagan was.

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