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submitted 10 months ago by Linkerbaan@lemmy.world to c/usa@lemmy.ml

More than a dozen former Ronald Reagan staff members have joined dozens of other Republican figures endorsing the Democratic nominee and vice-president, Kamala Harris, saying their support was “less about supporting the Democratic party and more about our resounding support for democracy”.

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[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

Are they? The campaign is not speaking in support of the Reagan administration. Harris is supported by the former administration over a corrupt and narcissistic megalomaniac.

Personally, I don’t see this as anything other than validation that Trump is that bad.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 27 points 10 months ago

If you get endorsed by Hitler it reflects pretty badly on you.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Putin endorsed Biden, and now Harris. Do you honestly think that he wants Democrats in charge during his invasion of Ukraine? Politics is a game.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago

Right, his endorsement doesn't help. That's my point? Liberals shouldn't be cheering because Reaganites endorsed Harris.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Who said Liberals were cheering? This is aimed at disenfranchised conservatives.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

Do you think conservatives read The Guardian? This is for internal consumption, to make liberals think "wow even Reaganites are on our side, we must be doing something right!"

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

So you’re critical of The Guardian then? Do you believe they should have left that story out based on their reader demographic?

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

No? I'm critical of Harris accepting the endorsement of ghouls.

[-] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

No one said that. maybe they should have been crtitical of her not disavoying it

[-] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

The liberals cheering is what told me the liberals where cheering. I mean ... Haris even gloated that Ronald Reagon himself would vote for her.

as for disenfranchised conservitives, this is a group that does not exist, like both halvs of the uniparty pander to the conservitive.

[-] anarcho_blinkenist@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

"disenfranchised conservatives" he says

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[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

That's a good question, but I think Putin's being honest. Trump is more likely to try to negotiate a peace deal, but if that goes badly, he's also much more likely to order some off-the-wall shit like giving Ukraine ICBMs and permission to use them. Remember this was the guy who was presented with a range of options to retaliate against Iranian sabre-rattling, and for seemingly no reason chose the most extreme, drone striking their top general! There's lots of reason to not want Trump in charge.

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[-] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

I mean I am not saying that his endorsement is a good sign, however I see no reason not to trust his endorsement on face value. It seems to be more work and more conspericy boarding to say that this is some 7d chess to get trump back when there are reasons he would want a haris win

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago

I read it as the neoliberal warhawks are enthusiastic about a more level-headed maintainer of Empire who has promised the most lethal military in the world and to always support Israel.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Believe it or not, the President does more than determine support for Israel.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago

Yep, but the part that specifically draws the Reaganite fascists to Kamala is her promise to maintain the most lethal military in the world. Forever wars and endless profits for the MIC, endless support for Imperialism.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And Trump has already proven to support Israel’s eradication of Palestinians and expansion into Gaza and the West Bank. Israel is not the point of comparison between them, although Trump is worse for Palestinians.

More money in the hands of the lower and middle classes stimulates the economy and drives stock prices. The middle class is considered the most wasteful class. That consumption drives consumerism, which increases stock value.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

And Trump has already proven to support Israel’s eradication of Palestinians and expansion into Gaza and the West Bank. Israel is not the point of comparison between them. Trump is worse for Palestinians.

Trump is the same as Harris with respect to genocide. He can't just buy bombs on his personal card and ship them via DHL, this is a bipartisan effort because the basis is economic, not moral.

More money in the hands of the lower and middle classes stimulates the economy and drives stock prices. The middle class is considered the most wasteful class. That consumption drives consumerism.

No idea why you're bringing this up.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Have you compared Biden and Trump’s tax proposals? They’re extremely different. Stabilizing the lower and middle classes will result in more consumerism, which in turn helps stock prices. Middle-class conservative stockholders or business owners would benefit from Biden’s tax proposal. It’s the $400k+ earners that get hit the hardest.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Again, no idea why you're bringing it up in any capacity. I know what you're talking about, not why it's relevant. For starters, "lower class" and "middle class" don't mean anything, they are entirely arbitrary.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I see. If Israel is all that matters to you, we have nothing left to discuss.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

I brought up US Imperialism and the promise of juicy profits to the MIC. Palestine obviously matters the most, but I truly don't see why the tax proposals are relevant when discussing why fascist Reaganites love Harris. Harris will continue to push US Imperialism even further, with more exploitation of the Global South.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Having read about Hitler's meeting with the military heads that line was bonechilling when she said it

[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

The people who are saying this is a deal breaker weren't going to vote for Harris anyway.

Trump is a threat to democracy, stands in direct opposition to the rule of law, embraces authoritarianism, undermines national security, alienates allies while emboldening enemies and rivals, enables nutcases and violent extremists, has called for the constitution to be thrown out, has stated he intends to use the government to persecute his political rivals, has declared that members of his own administration should be executed for being more loyal to the country than to him, and managed to get the Supreme Court to declare the president to be above the law. And that's barely scratching the surface.

Even for conservatives, that list sounds very bad. Bad enough to outweigh major policy disagreements. It really shouldn't be that hard to understand why some of them might be willing to endorse the only viable alternative.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

Trump is a threat to democracy

America doesn't have democracy in the first place.

[-] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

Bush/Cheney STOLE the 2000 election. That was the biggest threat to democracy in my lifetime and now the Dems are welcoming them into the fold.

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[-] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

I mean odd that you KNOW none of these people where going to vote for Harris but these endorsments will get people to vote for Harris from the trump camp. I mean I would argue that there are people who remember past political actions and do not want to suport someone also suported by ghools, and this was either the last straw, or enough that they felt there was some alterer motive here.

Second, have you seen any trump suporter, or someone thinking about suporting trump they are unlikely to be pulled away.

third, threat to democracy? I mean I hate to break it to you but at best the US is an Oligopoly, and even then I would argue the dems are just a few steps behind. As for the the SCOTUS, what is stopping biden from using the above the law power... or Haris, why is this only a concern when trump might use it

fourth, you have to relise that DICK CHENEY endorsing your canidate is not going to be a good look, especialy reveling in it. the better political move would be to use his endorsement to open up a conversation about all the evil he did, and the farther promotion of the Unitary Executive (Really started by Reagon and his staffers... who also endorsed harris) leading us into the mess we are in today, and to shove that endorsement where the sun dont shine

[-] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

I mean... yes... there are quite a few reasons I would not feel good voting for harris but there are 3 reasons I cannot in good contious vote for her, the first is the endorsments from Bush and Cheney, the second is this Reagon Endorsement, the third is she has publicly talked about class colaberation.

[-] anarcho_blinkenist@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

over a corrupt and narcissistic megalomaniac.

boy I hate to tell you this, but you're not escaping that by voting for the democrats. the establishment parties are personifications of all of the worst vices and cruelties of the imperialist capitalist class of war mongers, racketeers, and liars which keep the globe under their boot with 800+ bipartisan military bases and CIA blacksite torture camps, and bipartisan Hunger Plans and bipartisan competing to see who can do more genocide faster.

Biden's such a corrupt narcissistic megalomaniac he wouldn't even step down while his brain was visibly leaking from his ears his own party including the speaker of the house (also being one of the most corrupt, narcissistic megalomaniacs in congress) was demanding he do so. He only did when the billionaire imperialists that finance the democrats (and who they work for, who both parties work for) pulled their funding.

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