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Young women are more liberal than they have been in decades, according to a Gallup analysis of more than 20 years of polling data. 

Over the past few years, about 4 in 10 young women between the ages of 18 and 29 have described their political views as liberal, compared with two decades ago when about 3 in 10 identified that way.

For many young women, their liberal identity is not just a new label. The share of young women who hold liberal views on the environment, abortion, race relations and gun laws has also jumped by double digits, Gallup found.

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[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 132 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Topic:

Women are voting more liberally because they don’t like conservative positions on abortion, guns, and the environment.

Weird dudes in this thread:

“Men are being left behind!”

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Wut.

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 44 points 4 months ago

A few of the women I work with who are vocal about their politics, will quite firmly point to how conservatives still engage in victim blaming if a woman gets sexually harassed or assaulted, to say nothing of rape/murder, to their reasons for going blue.

Their reproductive rights being curtailed while men old enough to be their father get viagra covered through their insurance telling them to just shut their legs is just a horrific bonus.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

I understand how abortion and guns can/do have a womens exclusive perspective, but how is the environment a womens issue? By environment you mean things like climate change and pollution, right?

I can understand how liberals vs progressives would have different views....but I'm not grasping how men vs women would.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago

There's a sense of "Caring about nature is effeminate and for wusses" in toxic masculinity.

[-] Throw_away_migrator@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

Which I find extremely odd, since some traditionally masculine activities are nature oriented. Hunting, fishing, outdoorsy stuff in general. It wasn't that long ago that (environmental) conservation was a huge component of those activities to ensure continued access for people to those activities. Maybe it still is but I certainly don't get that impression as strongly anymore.

[-] flicker@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

Teddy Roosevelt was a big conservationist. He would've happily knocked some heads over the idea he was effeminate for it.

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

I take part in a lot of outdoorsy activities, there's kind of a split. Lots of conservation-minded folks like myself, and lots of assholes who don't seem to realize or care that they won't be able to go hunting, fishing, etc. if they develop over all the woodlands, poison the waterways, etc. and just want an excuse to shoot something or justify their much-larger-than-needed, lifted, coal-rolling truck.

Also a fair amount of people who don't feel particularly strongly either way.

Sales of hunting/fishing licenses and such do end up funding a lot of conservation efforts, though arguably in a lot of cases the money doesn't necessarily go where it's most needed.

The more conservation-minded folks tend to be quieter about their interests and don't make it their whole personality, they're usually not the ones posing with a deer or fish in their profile pic.

[-] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago

In my area the types of guys into outdoorsy stuff also tend to trash their campsites.

I can't count the number of times I go hiking and find beer/monster/soda cans, empty beefjerky bags, lead fishing weights that were cut off and left next to the rest of the garbage, piles of empty shotgun shells(not just one or two that were missed or fell out of a pocket), cigarette butt's and boxes, ect.

It's always really shitty to find a part of the forest like that. Especially if I can see where there was tree stand above the pile of garbage. I get that deer are basically overpopulated due to milder winters, but take care of the forest my dudes.

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[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Oh....hadn't heard that. Guess I'm a big ol' sissy for loving trees. Oh well.

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[-] Meron35@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Burning fossil fuels and polluting is viewed as masculine, whereas caring about the environment is feminine, in a phenomenon sociologists have coined as Petro-masculinity. Think of those men who roll coal in their lifted trucks towards cyclists in lycra, who they view as "gay".

Petro-masculinity: Fossil Fuels and Authoritarian Desire - Cara Daggett, 2018 - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0305829818775817

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

People are weird. I see nothing masculine or anti-masculine about recycling, or driving an electric car.

Like.....it doesn't even seem related to how tough you are. If anything the really masculine guy would be the one who rides his bicycle everywhere.

Really built calves. Leg muscles. Able to go 40mph from your legs alone. Isn't that the real tough guy? Not the guy who gets into a large truck, and slightly presses a pedal downward.

Like I said. People are weird.

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[-] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 73 points 4 months ago

The conservative postion literally sees you subhuman ... Its the conservative women that amaze me .. How?

[-] IonAddis@lemmy.world 50 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Because most people run on their personal experiences, and don't do great when they have to think very far ahead or extrapolate and make connections.

If you're lucky enough to be born into a conservative home that's not bugshit crazy, and you're lucky enough to not be TOO smart, neurodivergent, gay/lesbian/trans/etc. then you've probably never seen the full ugly face of conservatism because you were treated nicely.

Lots of conservatives will treat you perfectly politely...if they get to know you, and as long as you look white and clean-cut enough. As long as you give the right social signifiers, basically.

Most of my ex-conservative friends group was driven away from conservative family because we were abused in some obvious fashion, were gay/lesbian/trans, were neurodivergent, etc. We were different in ways that, ultimately, after a lot of pain, forced us to cut ties with family. (It was never our first choice though.)

But a woman who was lucky to be born into a family that treats her halfway decently won't experience that sort of ugliness until an emergency happens and it's leopards-eating-faces time.

And it's VERY hard to rock the boat BEFORE something bad happens to you, when you know rocking it will have really bad consequences immediately. People don't like to be shunned or kicked out of families, so if they're not treated TOO badly they'll toe the line and conform out of fear of the unknown and fear of losing everything they have and know.

[-] sentientity@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

Your last paragraph here is very important. There are massive political implications to these kinds of family and group dynamics.

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[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 67 points 4 months ago

Shocker, when women lose basic reproductive healthcare rights, their views on abortion legislation and conservative politics change significantly.

[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 29 points 4 months ago

I didn't think the leopards would eat MY face

[-] VeganCheesecake 42 points 4 months ago

Ignoring the annoying way in which liberal has been re-christened into anything vaguely left-wing in U.S. parlance, this seems hardly surprising since the conservative side seems both anti-young, and anti-woman.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

I don't want to ignore it. Calling yourself liberal on the environment and gun laws just makes me think you want more polluting industry and more guns.

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[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

Don't buy the "tradwife" myth. That's just six or seven creepy "influencers," who figured out how to make money from conservative boys dumb enough to think they have a relationship with fake online personalities.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

And more than one women who has gone down that route, including influencers, has ended up regretting being dominated by their husband 24/7. Even if you're into domination, this is a life where there's no safe word.

https://unherd.com/2024/05/lauren-southern-the-tradlife-influencer-filled-with-regret/

(Note, Lauren Southern is still a horrible right-wing influencer, she's just no longer into the tradwife thing.)

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[-] LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

can we stop using Taylor Swift as a spokesperson for all young women? like I'm all for her as a pop singer, but the media gives that billionaire too much clout as a representative of all young women. can't we just say young women speak for themselves without it requiring a billionaire woman to illustrate something for them?

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 23 points 4 months ago

Us young men get the same treatment but with scumbags like Andrew Tate, go figure.

I feel the pain.

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[-] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

My .02? There's a large swath of "conservative" women who like the idea of going to church, being a stay-at-home mom, and having a husband that goes to work every day and provides for them. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that life.

But what they found out is the guys espousing that lifestyle actually want to treat their wife as property. There was a solid 30 years of momentum building around "maybe I don't want to have a two-income household, maybe I just want to be a mom". Unfortunately, while the women were thinking "we're partners in this household, I take care of the meals and the kids, you take care of making money" - the dudes were thinking "I own you, you do what I want, I do what I want, if you talk back, I'll put you in your place".

[-] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 months ago

I'm a liberal dude who earned enough that my wife could stay at home and raise our kids until corporate greed gave me a one two punch of rapacious price increases (because they could get away with it) and stagnant wages (because they expect me to put up with it). She was doing a lot of work on the household all the time.

Luckily she went back to work after our kids became much more self sufficient and could participate in taking care of the house.

Never thought of myself as king of the house.

(She the Queen, though)

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
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[-] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

Over the past few years, about 4 in 10 young women between the ages of 18 and 29 have described their political views as liberal

I wonder how the other 6 in 10 young women would describe their political views. While 40% isn't a majority, I would think liberals are a plurality. Still, it's a little disheartening that there isn't a clear majority in the US. It would be nice if a majority of Americans could reach a consensus.

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[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

This really shouldn't have come as a surprise. Trump and MAGA came about from disillusionment in politics and the rural working-class feeling left out, with the right sensing an opportunity to say outlandish shit to stand out.

Today, women are disillusioned because they can't afford to buy a home, can't afford basic healthcare like most civilised countries, have zero workplace protections, have zero control over their own reproductive organs, and are lumped into the "DEI" category whenever the right discusses whether they should have opportunities in the workplace.

I say this every time an American article is posted around the sheer surprise that something is happening. It isn't new. Trump was preceded by Brexit and the rise of the right in Europe. Thankfully, we've also seen the implosion of the right over the last year or two, so if Harris can win then you'll all be glad to hear that it'll be a bloodbath of back-stabbing and finger-pointing as the right fight for whatever scraps are left - all while the loser sits on the sidelines shitting on their former allies for having the audacity to succeed them.

With all that said, it's a great thing, but hopefully this isn't just pushed as a women-only thing. Real change needs everyone pushing in the same direction, and that needs real unity - something a good leader can bring.

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