For context, Dick Cheney announced that he’ll be voting for Kamala Harris.
I think it's indicative of just how far right the "left" have gone. We have no real representation.
Not related to that at all.
Cheney hates Trump because of his ties to Russia. For threatening to have the US leave NATO. January 6th. And above all the cardinal GOP sin of attacking fellow party members. Liz has repeatedly been the focus of Trump's outbursts because she's stood up to him. And to a ghoul like Cheney, attacking the in-group is a big no no. Especially his own daughter.
Plenty more Republicans are supporting Kamala Harris and they have good reasons that don't involve Russia. Furthermore, most true Republicans see the destruction of the conservative party by MAGA and want to defeat it to save the party.
Being protective of your own daughter is hardly due to being a ghoul.
I mean, Dick Cheney is a ghoul, but not for this reason.
What a weird take. This is indicative of how awful Trump is.
I mean, it's both. Republicans are driven away from Trump because he's obviously a grifter to anyone with a room temperature IQ, but also leftists don't have any other option but the center-right Democrats. If we had a healthy spread of parties (enabled by ranked choice voting and the abolition of the electoral college) there is no way you'd see the Cheneys voting in the same bloc with anyone even remotely left.
Bernie and AOC being given a speaker slot at the convention is a radical shift from where leftists were 8 years ago. The idea that the Democrats are moving right while we have declared socialists presenting front and center is a significant misunderstanding of the last 30+ years of political discourse in this country.
Bernie and AOC are progressives, sure, but the Dems as a monolith are objectively not leftist in the slightest. They're just more left than the Republicans. Even if they have moved left, they're still center-right by any reasonable metric. Note that I said nothing about the direction they're moving.
💯 and really, everyone here and even @jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org deserve a victory lap. Kicking, and screaming and against Thur own will, we're making the Democratic party a party of the left as we pry it from the cold goulish fingers The Neocon/Neolib order.
Justice Democrats, Our Revolution, Sunset movement, Wolf pack, many others. We've moved the needle. But also, we're super disorganized. Under Trump, we were good damned militant. Fucking lit af. Biden was a relief valve we all desperately needed but it also reduced the impetus the pressure to respond the stress. Leftist originating complexly collapsed under Biden.
It's the wartime castilione vs peace time contradiction. Frankly I think the insurgent left is far more effective in the outside power scenario, but wowo we need to learn to not eat our own. I look at how often here, truly significant and honest posters are implied to be bots or paid shills or whatever. Look how fucking united leftist media was in 2020 and look how fractuous it is under peace time conditions. TYT members hate MR members. Everyone's shitting on everyone and accusing them of being shills. I often think about what Micheal Brooks would think of the state of leftist media.
The reality is that leftists need to find a way to work together or more centrist elements will find wling partners on the right. Save this post and mark my words, they are counting on being able to frog March the DNC to the right. And the DNC leadership wants this. Look at that last night of the convention. It was basically a Republican micro convention.
For sure, but also it might be an indication of how much we're leaving on the table.
Would Cheney endorse a M4A candidate?
Would Cheney endorse an arms embargo on Israel candidate?
What's the line? How much more could we be going for here?
Realistically Cheney is bringing us effectively 0 voters, maybe even negative a few. So if it's these steps to the right Harris keeps making that give us Cheney with no ec votes, show me the value.
AOC could be the democratic nominee and the Cheney family would likely still vote for the democrats. He’s not voting for Harris because he likes her policies. He voting for her because of this reason that he gave…
“In our nation’s 248-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump,” Cheney said in a statement. “He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. He can never be trusted with power again.”
“As citizens, we each have a duty to put country above partisanship to defend our Constitution. That is why I will be casting my vote for Vice President Kamala Harris”
When the person you despise makes a great point.
It's more of a sign that one guy is such a batshit insane criminal that people would rather vote for pretty much anyone else.
I think it more that the other option is just that insane. It's not as much a left vs right thing. It's a business as usual vs. Chaos election. Cheney being in favor of someone playing by the normal rules isn't that surprising.
Cheney is an absolute ghoul, but I don't doubt that the neocon stupidity he embraced during the Bush administration was at least partly out of a desire for America to remain 'top dog'.
Trump is sitting here ready to quite literally sell our position to Russia and China.
It's a WW2 moment. The Soviets and the Western Allies join hands, because even though each thinks the other is fucking terrible, there's a more vile foe afoot.
Yeah, there's the effect Cheney and his gang all having American supremacy as their goal, with them and their corporate fuck-buddies specifically on top of the heap. In their own particularly fucked kind of way, they did care about America or something.
Trump and his ilk... They believe in fucking NOTHING. I'm not even convinced their goal, at its core, is even self-enrichment. I'm pretty well convinced the whole movement is just extremely self-destructive mental illness metastasisized into a political party.
I’m not even convinced their goal, at its core, is even self-enrichment.
I'm almost certain it's not. There are so many easier ways to unjustly enrich yourself in this country.
I’m pretty well convinced the whole movement is just extremely self-destructive mental illness metastasisized into a political party.
I think you're right. People sometimes underestimate the power of culture and popular delusions. They rarely make the fire on their own, but they are one fucking hell of an accelerant.
I doubt any two of Trump's team members have the same goals. It's like a clown car full of grifters, con men, psychopaths, power seekers and snake oil salesmen.
Obligatory reminder that Dick Cheney literally does not have a heart or a pulse, as his heart was replaced by a continuous flow pump.
So... ghoul indeed.
Unfortunately, "Business as usual" in our political climate, is a pretty conservative sentiment.
I get that you're saying Cheney is just making a rational decision but it doesn't contradict the Op's point.
It's because if you ever got a real leftist candidate into office you'd immediately turn on them when they refused to fill the reflecting pool with billionaire blood.
How dare you?! Your criticism of the conservative lite party and unwillingness to compromise with the full blown fascists makes you the real fascist! (heavy /s)
I don't think it's so lite anymore.
Too right. I'd actually used "fascist lite" before changing it, but I figured give the libs a little break from the full on reality check lol
More like the right has gone so far right that dickhead is a left leaning moderate lmao
I can't decide if I love Dick's facial expression or Gimli 2's more…
We need this for more republican endorsements please. At least the weirder ones.
And if republican voters make a difference, then a "Gondor calls for aid!" meme.
So all the 'conservatives' are seeing the writing on the walls and, like sea rats, scurrying to get off the sinking ship that is Donald J. Trump? They've had their fun and made their money but that dog won't hunt no more so they're all deciding to put him down.
If the momentum sticks and Trump is voted to oblivion, they'll all write their books about how terrible he really was. How odious it was to chafe under the strangling yoke of...^checks ^notes their endorsed candidate.
I'll take your vote, Dick, but you can choke on yourself just like all the other Republicans politicians voting for Harris.
What's that proverb, "tell me who your friends are"?
That.
Trump's friends are Peter Thiel and VV Putin.
No fucking shit.
Oh yeah, I forgot, some of you can only see the world in ~~black and white~~ red or blue.. 🙄
News flash: a (very fucking marginally) lesser evil is still fucking evil, and you're never going to be free of either as long as you continue to play by the rules they've set out for you (in fact, you'll only ever achieve the opposite - the continued shift to the right of the Overton window to its inevitable conclusion).
So, who are you voting for?
That’s the neat part, if you aren’t American you can agitate and tell people “don’t vote, voting for the lesser evil means you end up with slightly less evil and that’s bad, instead you should not vote or ignore mathematics existing and vote third party which is a fancy way of not voting” and then suffer no consequences.
Tell people not to vote and the party that wants to “hurt the right people” gets into power, doesn’t matter, those policies don’t touch foreign agitators.
I’ve been in the depths of the leftist circle jerk about this. You see if we all sat home on Election Day reading Marx, then the oligarchs who rule over us would see that no one is taking part in the charade anymore. Then those oligarchs who wield tremendous wealth and power would just give up, you know, the turnout too low. All those people refused to endorse the democratic farce any further and so clearly those with power would be so red faced with embarrassment they would voluntarily give up that power and abolish capitalism.
Those oligarchs certainly wouldn’t be delighted by the fact that the population is even cheaper and easier to control because people are sitting out. Nope, we will certainly show them by allowing them to dominate us with even more ease and at bargain prices, certainly that will end the system.
if you aren’t American you can agitate and tell people “don’t vote, voting for the lesser evil means you end up with slightly less evil and that’s bad, instead you should not vote or ignore mathematics existing and vote third party which is a fancy way of not voting” and then suffer no consequences.
The entire planet suffers the consequences when Trump undoes all climate action and destabilises the world.
He's not our friend.
We did not get into the boat with him. He got in the boat with us.
And yet you have done nothing to promote any alternative; so your faux outrage is, in fact, useless.
More like:
"the enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Lol, that still leads right back to "tell me who your friends are".
You can try to twist this all you like to spare your own discomfort, it won't change who he is, why he's supporting her, and what it means about who you're voting for (a conservative, and against your own best interests, either way. Because endorsements like these tell you whose interests they're are appealing to, and you really only need to be paying the very slightest of attention to realise it ain't yours).
There's a huge fucking difference between friends and allies.
He's neither to you, only to himself and his interests.
Again - no matter how you people try to twist it to make yourselves feel better about it - Cheney is endorsing his own interests, and only his, and the interests of a wealthy conservative war monger will never align with yours, no matter how much you try to convince yourself otherwise (accidental alignment doesn't make one an ally, unless you also want to reach for Hitler as your example and justification, but be warned, you too will reek of pathetic desperation lmao).
You see trump as the embodiment of fascism (when in truth he's only a symptom), while Cheney sees him as the loose lipped child giving away the fascist family secrets. He's not endorsing dems because he's no longer conservative, he's endorsing dems because they make him feel safe and looked after, and if that isn't enough to tell you where "blue no matter who" leads, I have bad news for you: you're a fully fledged member of a cult. Just like a maga cap wearer - voting against your own interests because it's "your team" no matter how many red banners they wave in your face and blaring alarms they ring in your ears.
I don't think that Dick is a fan of Harris, but he's doing the calculus a lot of voters are doing: voting for the lesser evil.
Cheney is endorsing his own interests, and only his, and the interests of a wealthy conservative war monger will never align with yours,
If Cheney and I are both in a rowboat and the rowboat is heading for the rapids, I would say that our interests are aligned.
When it comes to politics, no one is your friend.
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