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"I have high standards, I'd rather have my clothes covered in dog shit than put on a non-Gucci article of clothing."
How's them standards going for you when you're now covered in shit?
They revel in being covered in shit. Then they call you the real filth for not covering yourself in shit.
In other words, not unlike Republicans.
You joke but they legit just are republicans who insist they're leftists because they're wearing a coat of red paint over that shit.
Like 9/10 times they're some bougie white kid who never experiences the difference between republican and democratic governance first hand because they're privileged and insulated from it, and also they're tied to people who do nothing but complain about how awful democrats are and they refuse to do any unlearning beyond just saying they aren't bigots anymore.
You joke but they legit just are republicans who insist they’re leftists because they’re wearing a coat of red paint over that shit.
Oh, it's no joke. I believe wholeheartedly that if the GOP kept all of its current stances, but was an anti-American party in, say, Europe, and put on the Communist aesthetic and rhetoric, tankies would be lining up to lick their boots and cry "Critical support for transgender genocide!"
Like 9/10 times they’re some bougie white kid who never experiences the difference between republican and democratic governance first hand because they’re privileged and insulated from it, and also they’re tied to people who do nothing but complain about how awful democrats are and they refuse to do any unlearning beyond just saying they aren’t bigots anymore.
God, even on the local scale it can be gruesome. Getting a Republican administration is like watching the municipality be gutted in slow motion. It's difficult for me to sympathize with tankies, since they clearly don't lack time to ~~mindlessly parrot talking points fed to them by their social circle~~ read about politics, but they act completely fucking clueless about the difference between Dems and the GOP. Or, for that matter, the difference between any imperfect cause and pure fucking evil - except, of course, in judgement of their red-painted fascist states, whose actions are always either justified or justifiable, and criticizing blatant totalitarianism is just not appreciating AES and proof of being a shitlib(tm).
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single issues voters would rather be consuming literal dogshit than see their issue unresolved
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Politicians will always disappoint you. There will always be things left undone, done poorly, or done in a way you disagree with. Everybody needs to get used to this and learn we vote for the least bad, not the most good.
Politicians will always disappoint you. There will always be things left undone, done poorly, or done in a way you disagree with. Everybody needs to get used to this
Why?
Why does everyone have to get used to and just blindly accept that the system is shit and doesn't serve them or make their lives any better?
Why are you so comfortable settling for so little?
Why don't you want better for yourself, and worse, think you get to demand the same of others?
(I don't need your answers, these are all for you and those who agree with you to ask yourselves)
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This is an imperfect world.
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Democracy is necessarily the function of creating coalitions of compromise between literal millions of people, all with different interests and concerns.
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Politicians, as a career, self-select for ambition and ego, and that comes with certain implications in even the best of them.
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Jesus fucking Christ, is it really so little to not want to die or see my friends and family horribly oppressed?
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In what world will a politician never disappoint you?
I'm generally in full control of myself and even I disappoint myself - fringe third party candidates are not the political messiah some people think they are.
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Cuz it's democracy. If you wanted someone to be in office who would get everything done with no obstacles no roadblocks and no delays then you wouldn't be looking at democracy you'd want a dictator. You can want that if you want but just be honest about it.
Lmfao, except you don't have democracy. You have oligarchy and kleptocracy and plutocracy. You also don't have a government that is "getting everything done without obstacles", but pretty much the literal fucking opposite. The fact that the only alternative you can imagine to the current (non democratic, slipping in to fascism) state of affairs is a dictatorship is a problem with your lack of imagination and narrow view of the world (though granted, you were heavily indoctrinated that way), not a reflection of reality, nor the array of other ways that society can not only exist, but thrive.
There was good reason I told you people to ask yourselves these questions - you are the ones standing in your own way with your insistence of living according to a full blown fallacy because you're just comfortable enough with the way things are, and are too scared of change, specifically no longer holding the privileges the current system grants you in exchange for your compliance, and the idea that you might not have anyone to feel superior to.
Until you're willing and able to face that within yourself, I can't help you, nor am Interested in hearing the mental gymnastics you do to justify your actively maintaining the status quo. ¯\(ツ)/¯
You have oligarchy and kleptocracy and plutocracy.
none of these are accurate, except for maybe plutocracy.
Gerontocracy would be more accurate.
It's fundamentally not an oligarchy, that's just not true. Trump didn't do fuck all during his term for this exact reason. It's obviously not a kleptocracy, unless you have like, actual proof of this. Trump being a good one, but that's not a historical precedent.
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A more nuanced version of this is, if you live in a state that has 0% chance of swinging, feel free to do a protest vote. Voting for Jill Stein or write in Bernie Sanders in California or Wyoming will not change anything, on the other hand if you do funny votes in Pennsylvania or Georgia you are worse than MAGA people.
Even if you are in a Blue State, the US needs to overwhelmingly reject Trump both in electoral and popular vote.
Otherwise a Trump replacement will pop up in 4 years.
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Yes, with electoral college that strategy is acceptable... buuuuuut...
DON'T sleep for a second on the downballot races, for House Rep., Senator, Governor, state positions, ballot measures (including on a woman's right to an abortion), and everything else applicable to you on Election Day. DON'T stay home even if you don't like your choice of President/VP or that your state won't affect who will reside in the Oval Office.
Any of these other races can be close. Each has a piece of a government that has big effects on many of the issues you care about.
I'm still going to tick the Kamala box, but I'm ashamed of how little she's trying to be a good candidate. After Nov4, I'll get going with direct action.
Exactly, her winning is not the end. We need to apply a massive amount of pressure since she is a neoliberal.
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What specifically do you think she should do better on?
Main issue for most people is the fact that she's not trying harder to stop Israel from killing Palestinians.
Well, there's not much she can do atm as vice-president. It's very well-known that Biden is very pro-Israeli.
Her rhetoric on the topic as a candidate has been very mixed. She's been improving since she had that meeting with Uncommitted leaders. Hopefully she can have a better plan than "ask nicely for a ceasefire" to present to voters before the election.
Harris said that as president, she would maintain the US alliance with Israel and “ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself.”
To most people that sounds like she'll keep sending weapons which will then be used to murder Palestinians.
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Medicare for All. The insurance pyramid scheme is getting more and more insane
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Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good
Pretty typical of left leaning voters. Lots of issues, lots of arguing, very little in the way of coming together. Give the Right one thing: They will come together to fuck you over.
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NO ONE is a perfect candidate
No American here. I ask myself, does a third candidate have any real chance of getting enough votes to gain visibility in the media and elsewhere? Even if it is for future elections?
I don't know the answer, but if it's no and you know it and still decide to vote for a third candidate, you're an idiot. Work to make this a reality within four years, for the next four years, if you don't do it and just complain you're an asshole.
I don't understand how you can get this so easily but people in our own damn country are literally not capable
Many of them are perfectly capable, but simply don't care if Trump wins, despite their claims. They're fine with fascism, as long as they don't have to feel bad.
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The trouble with never voting for a 3rd party is that you enable the 2 party system, which fundamentally promotes tribalism, division, and corruption.
Whats worse is that it snowballs and is completely out of control. There was a time when I would say that it's worth voting for a candidate that will never get elected to sway future policy, but although it's always felt like the other guy I'd going to ruin everything, it's truer now than it has ever been. And it won't stop at Trump. Trump could be dead, some equally craven ghoul would take his place. That ship will never turn, it will only pull away from the Democrats. Nothing can ever progress. There is only the fight.
America is a cautionary tale.
If your country is lucky enough to have 3 or more major political forces, keep that alive.
vote for voting reform in your state. That solves most of that problem.
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Here is another take. You vote for both:
- The group that most closely resembles what you want AND
- The group that most likely will listen to your requests during the administration
If there are things you want changed, Nov 5 is not the last day but the beginning. The next president will make decisions for 4 years, and every decision is influenced by people and our voices.
Ask yourself, between Harris and Trump, which administration is most likely to want the things I want, and which is most likely to listen and be influenced by my side of political views and the people I support?
For me, the answer is a hard NO on Trump, and a pretty solid Yes on Harris.
Like the other thread abut guns. Sure, the Dems talk about wanting gun reform and it never gets done because they don't have a super majority in Congress. But the GOP is 100% against it and will never contribute. Which side is more likely to do anything to help the reform I want to see? 4 years of Dems is a good amount of time to press for issues and seek some improvements. If I let the GOP have 4 more years, we are not even going to talk about change until the next election.
Those that are willing to sit out an election because the Dems are not perfect, are inflicting the worst candidate on all of us and themselves. Don't you dare later complain about school shootings, wealth inequality, tax cuts for the rich, abuse of queer folks, women's rights, international inhumane policy. Don't inflict Trump on us and then pretend to care about our issues or be on our side. If you sit out, you've picked a side.
I'd just like to clarify that presidential elections are not the only time to vote if you want to see any actual change. There are elections every year. Keep up to date on what's going on in your state, in your county, in your city or town, and actually put the work in.
Most of the people in power got there by being elected to other positions years ago.
We can change the Dems and push them towards actually being good by just uncritically voting for them every election I see no flaw in this plan.
Not to mention showing up for the primaries too.
It fucking mystifies me that people will condemn the dems for never voting for progressives in primaries, and then just never turn out to the primaries themselves.
Primary turnout is consistently pathetic and an abject condemnation of the wannabe revolutionaries who speak with fire then act with all the likewise energy of cosmic background radiation.
"I don't understand what a primary is", the voter.
Let me check who I could've voted for Dem presidential candidate this year in the primaries. Here's the list:
Oh I should've voted in 2020? I could've chose between:
- Biden (no)
- Bernie "Israel has every right to defend itself" Sanders
- Bloomberg (lmao)
"Bernie Sanders isn't pure enough for me" Jesus fucking Christ.
Like, how left do you think the electorate in this country is, exactly?
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No, she isn't. What needs to be said is that she presents far less danger for our country than Trump does. It really sucks having two candidates you don't like, but for the sake of integrity, you have to always choose what you believe is the lesser of two evils.
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sOCiaL mEdiA kEePs Me iNfOrMed!
bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe! wHy BoThEr VoTiNg LoL!
trump is back to leading in the polls, folks. pull your heads out of your asses.
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Until she is elected, I will be a solid supporter. As soon as she's elected, I'll go back to being a critic. But lordy, I'd vote for a literal clown before a Trump.
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