TLDR: be happy to be alone, truly and genuinely. then it won't matter if you find a partner, but you will be able to choose them with a clear mind if you do.

I'm basically a complete flip of you physically but I had the same problem for a loooooooooong time. I'm a tall, strong, heavy woman, and all i kept hearing was "you're beautiful, I just don't want someone taller/stronger/heavier than me". I totally get it, I didn't want to be taller/stronger/heavier than my partner either. But I'm like Fezzik- "it's not my fault I'm the biggest and the strongest, I don't even exercise". except I did do cardio to try to slim down, I'm just built to survive famine I guess. ¯⁠\⁠(⁠◉⁠‿⁠◉⁠)⁠/⁠¯

What I didn't understand was the ones who said they just wanted to be friends, because i just wasn't their type, but would happily be fuck buddies, so long as we kept it hush hush. ಠ⁠ಗ⁠ಠ

Anyway, eventually after a bunch of very bad attempts at relationships where I took way more BS than I should have because I was just that hungry for affection, I decided I was just better off being single forever. I couldn't seem to find a decent person who was attracted to me both physically and intellectually, so I decided to just stop looking. Not just stop looking, stop wanting. I actively wanted to be single for the rest of my life, in large part because I was just tired of the pain of being lonely. Like, "Jesus titty fucking Christ, we're gonna cry ourselves to sleep because we're SOOOO sad we're alone AGAIN?! FFS, JUST STAHP!" So I stopped wanting a partner. I found I had so much more time and energy to do the things I was passionate about when I wasn't futzing with all that stuff. I became the queen of getting shit done, remodeled my house myself, landscaped my yard, built a garden, went to the gym regularly, did weight lifting till I maxed out all the leg machines at the gym, and got close to maxing some of the upper body ones too. I was happy being single. I WANTED to be single. I craved my free time, the peace i found in solitude was better by orders of magnitude than any of the toxic relationships I'd clung to in the past.

After about two and a half years of that, a long time friend/ acquaintance started coming to me for massage ( I'm a deep tissue massage therapist with a focus on injury recovery and pain relief) and we would just talk throughout the sessions. Politics, philosophy, movies, anime, music, goals, food... Just everything. Eventually, after we'd just spent two more hours talking in the car after the two hours talking in the session, he said "Sooo.... you know I'm flirting with you sometimes, right?" I turned him down. I said, more or less, "I'm happy single, I've had such a garbage time dating that I can't pretend I'm not a decent part of the problem. I value our friendship and don't want to hurt your feelings, and I'm not NOT attracted to you, I just don't want to date ever again." He was completely chill, said "no worries, no is no even if you're attracted to me too. if you ever change your mind, let me know." And he dropped it, never brought it up again.... And fuck if that wasn't the sexiest thing I've ever seen. We kept being friends and talking and spending time together, talking about goals and wants and life plans and we found that our wants and goals in life were so in line it was uncanny. Importantly, neither of us wanted to get married, neither of us wanted kids, neither of us wanted to live with a partner ever again... It seemed like I could keep my peace, my space, my autonomy, AND have a partner who cared about my mind and emotions while also finding me wildly attractive. So we talked about what dating would look like and agreed to try it. It's been 2.5 years so far and I've never been happier in a relationship. I still think if we stopped being romantically involved I'd probably prefer to go back to staying single, but I'm happy with him as a partner.

I tell you the whole story, kinda long and rambling as it is, because I don't think I could have found a happy relationship if I had continued to want one with the same frantic energy as I had previously. I don't think I would have been a person who could be as open and honest as I was with who I was if I'd still wanted a partner when we started to really get to know each other. I don't think I was a whole person when I was looking for my "other half" and I don't know if you can really find a good match if you're not a whole entire person on your own. If I could distill the idea down to it's core, I think it would be: be happy to be alone, truly and genuinely. then it won't matter if you find a partner, but you will be able to choose them with a clear mind if you do.

Therapy. Also focusing on your hobbies and filling your life with joys that don't focus on a datemate. But definitely therapy.

"I'm not so into skinny guys" sounds like an excuse, if you are getting it a lot I think there is something else going on here, not all women even have a type and some surely like skinny guys, some of the hottest men I've been with were so skinny, it can be a very attractive look on a man.

Since you say it's your own standards, what do you mean? Do you think you are sort of batting out of your league looks-wise? You are already dancing so your body is probably in good shape, is there anything else that makes you think you are not physically attractive? May I ask how old you are?

You are outgoing and social, perhaps try practicing flirting? Like, without trying to take it any further?

It’s a been a long long time since I was dating, anyone who turns you down and says “sorry you’re too thin” is best avoided to say the least.

In fact I’m having a difficult time believing you keep hearing it, because it’s so rude.

Your comments are only about appearance, and thus shallow. Have you tried shifting focus to people rather than what they appear to be at first glance?

Much of the advice in this thread is either "Do xyz and you'll have better chances!" or "It's ok to be unattractive, it doesn't mean you're bad! Feel better!". But that doesn't answer your question.

It hurts, a lot, to not have intimacy for extended periods. It can burn, it can ache, and it can be a slow, subtle sort of pain. It can give rise to bitterness, as you call out, and to anger, sadness, listlessness, frustration.

Why don't you want to be bitter? It's a painful thing that is happening to you. That feeling isn't wrong, it's telling you something. If you feel a lot of pain and then suddenly stop feeling pain, that is very bad - it usually means you're dying or your nerves are damaged. There's no quick fix or silver bullet that will allow you to hold this like an old stoic, it's just a lot of work.

There's three places you can intervene: thoughts, words, and actions.

Thoughts are where this starts. If you don't have bitter thoughts you won't have bitter speech or actions. When you have bitter thoughts, just let them be. Don't spiral - feeling bitter about intimacy isn't great, but feeling bad about feeling bitter strengthens both, and it feeds itself from there. When you notice yourself spiraling or wallowing, just stop. Find a distraction or will yourself better or whatever, just don't let it feed itself. Meditation might help if this mental action is difficult. If you can find a positive channel for these emotions (which is quite hard to find), use it!

Speech is the first layer where this can affect others, but it's significantly lower stakes than actions. Generally, be conscientious. People can't willingly un-know things so be careful with what you share. Don't vent unless someone willingly signs up for it (which you can ask friends to do!). Don't put this out like it's a problem for someone else to fix or the worst thing that ever happened. It sucks, but it is manageable - you are managing it. When you make mistakes, point and call them. Say out loud "I did/said xyz, that was a mistake because abc, sorry, next time I'll do/say mno instead." This helps make a memory for you and others so you actually fix things and opens the door for feedback.

Actions will hopefully only come into this positively. Do the things that make good thoughts and speech easier. Learn to recognize how frustration and anger and bitterness feel in your body so that you can better notice+control them in the moment, and so that you can physically release that tension/sensation. If you feel urges to hurt others or yourself seek therapy.

It sucks. It hurts a lot in ways that many don't understand or sympathize with. And it is itself a significant barrier to intimacy. I haven't figured it all out myself, but I hope this helps. Good luck.

Agreeing with others. Enjoy being alone, enjoy having fun what you want to do, and masturbate. Life has a funny way of working out when you stop giving a fuck and focus on enjoying life.

Here's the thing about people......every one of them is different. You could be white, and find a girl who only dates black guys. You could be black, and a girl only dates white guys. You could be fat, skinny, or muscular. And you could run into the girl that doesn't mesh well with your type.

I once saw a guy with nazi tattoos, and he had a nazi girlffiend. I told them they could go fuck themselves. They laughed it off, but I wasn't joking.

Point is, if you think of yourself as not getting dates because you're skinny, find the girls who like the skinny guys. If a nazi can get a date, so can you. You just gotta find the right crowd. I know two girls who likes red headed irishmen with freckles. But I bet somewhere out there is a red headed irishman who thinks theres no girls for him because he has too many freckles. Little does he know he's a panty dropper with these two specifically.

Find your person!

Well, it sounds like you're going after women out if your league because you think they're attractive and that's a valid choice. But it is a choice you're making. It sounds like you could have intimacy if you lowered your standards or increased you attractiveness (gym etc). Or you could abandon dating to not have to face rejections.

So I think the key to avoid bitterness is to reevaluate if the choice you are making still works for you if it brings up bitterness. Then you can either stay with your choice or switch, if you don't think any other option brings less negative feelings.

And if you choose the best option for you, there's no need for bitterness.

Do YOU love yourself for who you are? Do you accept yourself and all your imperfections? Is there anything you are not happy with about yourself that you can change?

This is all that matters. Stop trying to push things and appreciate what you have. If there is something about yourself that you can change, then change it. Otherwise, stop worrying about what others think and learn to love yourself.

When you figure this out and learn this, everything else will follow. How can others love you, if you don't even love yourself?

Understand its not your fault and you shouldnt blame the world. Everyone goes through this at some point (esp guys) - be it skinny, fat, coloured or not, tall or short. Everyone has their preferences.

Giving up on actively finding a girlfriend is probably the best thing to do in your situation - but not out of spite - some women find an attractiveness in someone who has fun in their own presence. People want to be a part of that joy. Being bitter will only drive away friends and potential relationships.

With that said, do your own thing. If being skinny bothers you (and you alone, not what anyone else thinks), hit the gym and eat more? Try more activites either solo or with friends. Maybe even some extreme sports which a partner would otherwise not join you in. Just enjoy life and someone will come. I know people who found relationships in the most unexpected of times and places.

I understand theres an inch in the intimate department that cant be scratched with just normal friendships but idk, resist tbe urge or find other outputs to bring your urges back down enough so you can just be you and comfortable

What do your woman friends say?

I used to be very skinny, like 58 kgs at 186. I met my wife when I was 18 and she loves skinny dudes 😂

Regardless, I did feel self conscious about my skininess because I was bullied for it in school. I've both accepted myself, but I also gained about 15kg of muscle by doing starting strength. I'm by no means ripped, but I do feel like I carry myself with more confidence and that goes a long way.

Also, my dude, take this from someone in a 20 year relationship... Looks are neat and all, but finding someone you can actually stand, spend a lot of time and plan a life with is a significantly more worthwhile trait to pursue.

“celibate by virtue of my own standards” … I was not aware I belonged to a club which viral acronym does not exist yet

You've got to cast that shit out my man. Bitterness is a poison and will only turn you on yourself or others. I'm not in that situation but you have to look at things as if you haven't met the right one yet. I won't tell you to lower your standards but maybe consider trying to find the beauty of a person in a different light. Their intelligence, humor, mannerisms, there's so many aspects of people to hate and appreciate.

Look at it this way, it's hard to meet people these days. You go to parties, and find people that go to parties. You get on any dating sites? Chat rooms?

Eat more good food and lift some weights to gain muscle mass. You don’t have to be one of those giant dudes but a bit of definition goes a long way. It’ll also help prevent you from being frail when you’re older. I’d like to continue opening jars and carrying my own groceries for as long as possible. There are a lot of health benefits, and you don’t even need to go to the gym if you get adjustable weights and a multipurpose bench. I’ve been doing exactly this and I’m up 40 lbs and look better. I’m still a tall lanky dude at 6’3”, but I’m not nearly as skinny (165->205lbs).

I'm going to take a different approach. It's not that the general advice on focusing internally is bad. To the contrary, it's the best advice. But there's other things to do as well to help mitigate what I call "serial rejection response".

People tend to think that their attraction standards can't change. But they do, constantly, for plenty. They change as we age, as our perspective shifts as we gain experiences, or even just by repeated exposure to other standards.

Now, I'm going to venture into some shaky territory here, so be aware that there is disagreement in published information about some of this.

There are multiple things that go into attraction. They one thing that seems universal is symmetry. The more symmetric the face and body are, the more likely people are to find it attractive. It's a pretty objective standard too, with not much room for interpretation.

However, there's also signs of health and viability as a possible mate. That's where you run into the first thing that can shift. We don't actually have a great ability to read health visually. And there's subjectiveness inherent in what is and isn't considered healthy, and that can change easily.

A common example of that is acne. Not everyone views is as sign of bad health, but some do. It's also something that is more common in teen and young adult stages. When you're younger, and everyone around you is more prone to acne, you tend to filter it out because it's so common, we just don't see it as a flaw in every case. And there's gradations as to how severe acne is before an individual detects it as a negative rather than the norm.

Body build is obviously the same kind of thing. It's a subjective, and largely subconscious, "template" that gets built up over time to filter other people into categories of "possible mate" and "nah". But the very fact that it not only builds over time, but can change later in life as we're exposed to more variety, means that it's something that can be adapted to.

Now, you can actually consciously change what you're attracted to, though it isn't easy, and takes time. This would expand the pool of attraction to give better chances of mutual attraction.

But, once you realize that the vast majority of people don't know it can change, and that they're just drifting along responding to stimuli they don't even understand, it means you don't need to worry about it as much. It becomes a matter of patience in finding someone, or shifting closer to the local norm of what is and isn't attractive (and there is a large degree of it that is very local, down to town size and smaller; you'll find people at different schools in the same county having different standards as a group).

This helps remove any bitterness because, once the idea is internalized, you know that not only is it not you being unattractive at all (and everyone is attractive in some way, even if it's very limited), it's just not the right time and/or place. It's a crappy hand to be dealt, but not an insurmountable one.

You'd be amazed how just moving to another town can radically change how much attraction you receive. Just changing neighborhoods can do it in decent sized cities or towns.

I promise you, plenty of girls and women like extra skinny guys, the same way plenty like dad bods, massive muscles, trim athletic builds, or chubby to obese bodies. It's all about where and when you are. You, exactly as you are now, may find that women shift towards your body type as you age. Or you might not, but be aware that it isn't universal or permanent inherently. A super thin guy in his twenties is running around asking out women roughly in the same age group most of the time, and that could be a grouping that's locally only into dad bods as a majority. But they get older and change too, so you run into the ones that shift towards your type.

And, obviously, not only will your tastes change over time whether you want it or not, you could start work on finding the attractive qualities in a wider range of women. People think of this, and talk of this, as "lowering standards", but that's bullshit. That way of thinking assumes that any given set of standards is right solely because the person using the term thinks their standards are better. And, again, that's bullshit.

As an example of that, if I dig thicc ladies, but have no luck with them, it isn't lowering my standards to date someone that's model skinny, it's just a different standard. If I didn't like that kind of body type, I would have to work at seeing the good parts to change the "template" in my head that says attractive or not. I'm lucky in that I've never really had a type, but I do have greater or lesser attraction to different types. I have successfully changed that over time though, multiple times, partially just to see if I could.

Seriously, do a little thought experiment here. Find someone you don't find attractive that's with someone. Ask yourself what they see in them. Then look for it, because I promise you it's there. They're using their internal template, probably without thinking, and found a match to it. Once you start realizing that there are things in people you aren't attracted to that are attractive anyway, you start to look at looks in a new way.

This is getting long, so I won't bore you with anecdotes about my own life and how this works. But I will end with something to think about. Ever know an old couple? The kind that sum still kiss and hug, and make googoo eyes at each other, call each other beautiful and handsome. They exist. And they are attracted to each other, and likely always have been despite the fact that neither of them would have been attracted to the other fifty years prior.

Remember that, and you never need be bitter.

Most people's body will change as they age. I haven't met many who don't age or never get injured or both. Selecting a partner primarily based on their current appearance means you are using criteria suitable only for short term relationships.

Aim lower.

It sounds shitty but there’s merit. Think of it like an RPG, where you grind on low level fodder until you have enough confidence to land where you really want. Also, you may find that people who you’ve generally considered “unattractive “ in the past are actually really great because they’re genuinely decent people.

Bag a few 2 or 3 girls (by your standards) so you feel confident and good enough about yourself that you’re not in a pit of despair.

I also noticed is that when you really stop trying, that’s when things tend to happen. Like you have to consciously stop trying. People can smell the desperation and effort a mile away. Confidence is sexy because it comes off as effortless.

Consider just going on a date with someone you wouldn't normally have if you're in a dry spell. Helps you figure out your preferences in a relationship beyond physical appearance.

Cast a wider net. Maybe the place you are in is too small for you. Save up money and travel to inexpensive places. Focus on your happiness, it will be obvious to others and make you more appealing.

I agree with the be happy to be alone advice. That part is very important. However, a practical thing you can do, which you probably already know is hitting the gym.

It serves two purposes

1. It makes you slightly more attractive
2. It makes you aware that you are attractive

The second one is the more important one, but it can't be attained without the first. You gain immense confidence by seeing yourself in a new light, as somebody that you yourself think is attractive. Going to the gym is also doable for most people, and while it is hard work it's not difficult.

Ten years ago I started going to the gym. I gained a lot of confidence. I stopped going after a few years, but the fact that I know I can boost my attractiveness and confidence if I put in the work still makes me a happier, more confident person.

I sympathize, sorry that you're feeling this way. It sucks to not have someone to be with. I don't know if it'll help much, but I thought I'd share my story too.

I'm 2 years out of an 8 year relationship. I think I'm damaged to say the least, but I was damaged even before then. I struggle to connect with people, and breaking the physical barrier is also really difficult for me. I wish I was better at it, but I'm just kind of an awkward dude. I can be a bit uncomfortable in my own skin sometimes.

I met a girl recently and I thought things were going really well. We had lots of common interests, and the raport between us was really great. I was genuinely excited to get to know her as a person, and to be spending time with someone again. I was hopeful, and happy. It was nice to think that I might have someone I could actually share with again. I don't want to wallow in self-pity or anything, but I'm in my 30's and I'd be lying if I said the general disconnect I usually feel hasn't affected me on some deep level.

We were hanging out one day and things were going well up until I attempted to kiss her. It's such a dumb thing to blunder, but my bad timing, awkward word choices, and even my incorrect physical positioning caused me to rush things and not really give the moment a chance to unfold organically. I don't know why I get like this, it's very ammature and probably the quality I dislike the most about myself. I think maybe I'm just scared to fully allow myself to be vulnerable to people. I don't really think I'm a bad kisser in general, I'm actually great at other physical/intimate things, but I just kind of messed this one up a bit. I allowed myself to be overly nervous/anxious, and I just wasn't at my best. Mistakes happen sometimes. That was all it took though. She went from being pretty engaged with me to generally disinterested just like that. It sucks because It made me feel like her entire decision was based on this one failed interaction. I don't want to sound stuck up or something, but I think I deserve better than that.

I found out there were other factors too though. She was already interested in someone else at the time she was hanging out with me. It feels kind of pathetic to admit it, but I think I just got outcompeted. I know that I should give myself some allowance for the fact that there was nothing that I could do about that aspect, she's entitled to her choices, but she wasn't very forthright with me either. She led me on, and stood me up on plans to hang out. That was really selfish behavior on her part.

I know that girls do this sometimes for fear of hurting guy's feelings, but just don't. Be honest, and transparent with us, it's easier for everyone in the long run. I think I deserved a better chance than what she gave me, and if she was that superficial already then she probably wasn't right for me anyway. It sucks, but that's where I'm at with it right now. I'm not hateful towards her or anything like that, just disappointed really.

I don't know really where I'm going with all this, but just suffice it to say that understanding and learning from relationships is difficult sometimes. I think I'd just say to try not to give up if you can help it, but if you feel like you need to go into self-preservation mode then that's ok too.

Best regards tall skinny internet stranger.

I am 6' 6" and most of my life I've been between 145 to 165. So incredibly skinny, always under weight. I never struggled with women as an adult, but I also didn't chase too many shallow women. When I was young i certainly got told by a few that they weren't into skinny guys, but it was almost always by people that were incredibly socially controlled people, the type to "keep up with the Joneses" so to speak. Once I stopped chasing after people for the wrong reasons things improved dramatically.

Do you have close friends that are women? I wonder if there is a communication aspect to this if not. Do you date outside your culture? I grew up around mostly white rural Christians and they were more judgy about being skinny than other cultural groups, in my experience. Maybe something about rural people doing a lot more hard labor and it being culturally homogeneous.

I'm not sure you age but from what I understand, many people between 20-40 have been having issues finding genuine relationships and "situationships" are on the rise. I know several people that claim to be happy having 2-3 half commited partners (whom often also have other partners), but i don't believe they are that happy, especially compared to a genuine relationship.

As others had said try to just stick to your own personallity and focus on your own happiness, changing yourself or your standards just to get laid often doesn't work. When i was going through a phase of depression i started seeing a partner whom couldn't commit to me the way i desired, but i stuck around anyway because it was a nice distraction from my life. A few months later we called it offand there was a fair amount of emotional pain. The relationship was kinda of toxic as well and I'll probably carry scars from it into my next one. Even just the memories, good or bad, are constant distraction some times. My overall point is don't commit to it if its not what you genuinely want, good relationships have been on the decline for a while so its not always your fault if you can't establish one.