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Sometimes there is a better choice than Javascript (programming.dev)

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[-] z3n0x@feddit.de 49 points 2 years ago

alert(“nyyeehh”);

[-] unreachable@lemmy.my.id 11 points 2 years ago

furiously clicking non actionable button

[-] Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Great, the programmer humor has inherited "JavaScript bad" from Reddit.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago

Wait, wait, don't confuse terms. I wouldn't want to hear the use of enshitification the same way people are wrongly using "gaslighting."

Yes, I agree with you on the sentiment. Sucks that the same bs posted on reddit is creeping into lemmy.

But the platform is the same. Lemmy is not adding ads, or removing api access or shit like that.

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[-] ursakhiin@beehaw.org 58 points 2 years ago

That's not a Reddit thing. That's just a thing.

[-] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago

And python was created to teach programming. And PHP was something a guy used to maintain his webpage. If a language is useful it will gain popularity, and I never used a language which I didn't find frustrating at some point.

[-] princess 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses.

-- Bjarne Stroustrup

[-] ActionHank@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

True, but I see this quote repeated so often that it kind of bugs me. It seems to be used in a thought-terminating way. As if we shouldn't criticize languages. As if they aren't tools that are able to be improved upon, or they're all made equal. But I'm sure Bjarne Stroustrup needs to fend off hostility and unfair criticism as much as any programmer with a successful language.

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[-] ShunkW@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Yeah. I don't like writing JavaScript and I hate when I'm forced to use it to do something that could be handled otherwise except reasons. But especially with later versions it's not the worst thing in the world. I work in ruby on rails and love hotwire that lets me avoid js more than before. But still js isn't literally Hitler like people make it out to be

[-] sarsaparilyptus@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago

JavaScript is an abomination and real jobs don't use it

[-] Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I hate js, but are ya sure

[-] sarsaparilyptus@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago

That's just an urban legend

[-] woozy@beehaw.org 9 points 2 years ago

uh i use it every day at my very real job?

[-] sarsaparilyptus@midwest.social 11 points 2 years ago

You can't fool me

[-] Feyter@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago

Hey stop being sarcastic! This is a serious programing community here... Wait.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago

Things can be both bad and useful.

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[-] FoxBJK@midwest.social 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Never heard of marquee or blink, eh?

[-] noproblemmy@programming.dev 9 points 2 years ago

And why did you feel the need to bring up those suppressed memories?

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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 27 points 2 years ago

Wrong, annoying animations was Flash's thing. Javascript was made for annoying popups and alert boxes

[-] float@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago

Also for these animated status line texts that were supposed to show what's being loaded currently.

[-] rothaine@beehaw.org 23 points 2 years ago

"Sometimes there is a better choice than JavaScript"

We call it TypeScript

[-] bjornp_@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

I heard they're looking to add typing to JavaScript in a very similar style as TypeScript. Basically running TypeScript in the browser without tsc.

There's at least a proposal which I hope they'll continue with.

[-] asyncrosaurus@programming.dev 17 points 2 years ago

I was there for the first wave of SPAs, I even learned angularJs and Knockout. It did feel like a major atep forward, being able to make highly interactive applications. However, things quickly went off the rails when the tools stopped being about managing heavy client state, and became the default for everything, even when it ment using JavaScript to build extremely basic functionally browsers did natively with html, but extremely worse(e.g. navigation). The modern Web really is a victim of hype and trends.

Unless your app needs to work offline, or you have to manage dozens of constantly changing client side data points concurrently, your site doesn't need to be a big heavy js framework. My rule is if it looks like Google Maps, you need a SPA. if it looks like Gmail you need REST/HATEOS. and if it looks like google's mainpage, you need a server side rendering.

At some point you might see the light, and go back to making your websites simpler, but Im not hopeful. Until then I'm building the majority of things with HTMX and alpineJs.

[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I make fully static sites using react

[-] AgentEnder@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I've personally been using react and vite-plugin-ssr to static render things and while there's been a few bumps it still feels pretty nice

[-] BobbyBandwidth@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Like typescript?

[-] dis_honestfamiliar@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

That's JavaScript with extra steps.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 13 points 2 years ago

Say that to the madlad who wrote a virtual machine in js that can boot Linux and Windows: https://bellard.org/jslinux/

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago

Something something he could, something he should

[-] Feyter@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago

I thought that's what GIF was created for... Even if the original introduction of it is saying something completely different.

[-] oxideseven@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago

Doing Odin Project now and the constant shiting on JS online is sort of crushing my motivation. 😫

[-] BrucePotality@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

Don’t worry about, JS is a fine language and is used by all of the top companies. If you want to get a job as a software developer you have decent odds if you learn JS

[-] FoxBJK@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago

As someone currently job hunting - native JS isn’t enough anymore. Everyone wants React devs. I see some posts for Vue or Angilar and sometimes even TypeScript but the vast majority want React coders now.

[-] towerful@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago

Very true.
If you are learning JavaScript, typescript is absolutely worth learning as well.
React and Vue have some additional paradigms, but it is basically just JavaScript/typescript.
It's a lot to learn all in one step.

I guess it's like trying to learn C# and Unity all in one

[-] garyyo@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

If you don't hate a programming language you simply haven't used it enough or are delusional. Every language sucks in its own special way, js ain't special.

[-] z3n0x@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago

cue “if those kids could read they’d be very upset”

[-] Reliant1087@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I agree with you that every language has its flaws but JS feels like it was a hodgepodge created without any design philosophy in mind. I don't use C or lisp in day to day work but I can appreciate their philosophies and power. Can't say the same about JS.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago

If it has a design philosophy, it's "never show an error, even when the user is wrong".

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[-] fkn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

That's because it literally is the result of mozila, Microsoft and later Google fighting about what the right language choices were/are. Browser detection scripts and shims are still a thing, but back in the day we had to code that shit by hand every, and I mean every, minor version release of every browser.

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[-] ursakhiin@beehaw.org 16 points 2 years ago

JS is fine. But as with any tool it's not the best for every scenario.

The flak JS tends to get us mostly because of the rise of popularity is Node.js leading to backend JavaScript beginning commonplace. which it's overall a poor choice for backend when compared to many other languages as the strengths that JS has are more tailored to frontend.

[-] HKayn@dormi.zone 13 points 2 years ago

Don't let it get to you. This is mostly just a circlejerk by people who don't even use JS themselves.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Don't listen to the javascript haters.

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[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

css can do animations, and it's much more performant then js. I hate how over-used JavaScript is on "modern" websites.
some websites are even straight up unusable or don't display anything with js disabled....

[-] dukk@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago

Some websites, JavaScript is necessary for doing things without overloading a server. Mostly SPAs/PWAs and such. I’m using Voyager for Lemmy right now, which needs JS, but it gives me a great experience.

But yeah, JS is often overused. Luckily, with new technologies coming out like Astro and HTMX, we should hopefully start seeing less JavaScript on pages that don’t need it.