709
submitted 3 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Federal data shows the national crime rate has dropped under President Biden

Donald Trump backed out of an interview after a local paper asked him for data to back up his continued baseless claims that crime is on the rise under President Joe Biden.

The Detroit News reported that Trump’s campaign had agreed to an interview with the former president on Tuesday after a campaign speech. However, the campaign suddenly claimed Trump no longer had time for the interview after a reporter began probing them on crime data.

“The Trump campaign had initially agreed that Trump would participate in an interview with The Detroit News on Tuesday,” state politics reporter Craig Mauger wrote. “But after the newspaper began asking about the Michigan crime data before the event, a campaign aide said the presidential candidate no longer had time for an interview after the speech.”

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 245 points 3 months ago

Pulling out of a scheduled interview as part of a presidential campaign because the interviewer wants you to back up your claim sure is a weird thing to do.

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 117 points 3 months ago

back up your claim

i can't recall a single claim he's ever made that he "backed up" with anything other than "everybody says so" or something similar

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 45 points 3 months ago

Oh he couldn't possibly back up his lies. But I love that he's so terrified of the press asking him to do it that he's running away from them.

[-] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 months ago

I can think of one, around COVID, when his "data" evoked this response

[-] Xtallll 15 points 3 months ago

He had sharpy on a map to back up a claim once.

Yet another crime to throw on the pile.

It's illegal to misrepresent emergency weather information.

Drawing a sharpie to make people who were not in the forecasted path of a hurricane panic and seek shelter/evacuate should be a minimum fine/90 days in jail.

Obviously neither happened.

I've seen police show and threaten arrest up over someone using the emergency broadcast tones too loud at a park on a nice day. But (at the time) commander-in-queef gets free passes to do illegal shit at least once a week.

Totally the same legal system for ruling(owning)/non ruling(the poors) classes.

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago

yea, because it's the people who make their entire living being experts on the weather who are wrong, not this blubbering moron who refuses to let his school transcripts be made public

[-] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 127 points 3 months ago

Convicted felon Trump's kryptonite is a followup question.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 37 points 3 months ago

I really wish this had been more of a thing in the lead up to the first election. Yes um source?

[-] Enthusiasticwhale@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Pretty much... Weird coward still is a coward

[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

More like "being asked for proof of patently ridiculous and obviously false claims"

[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 87 points 3 months ago

If this is all you have to do, then EVERY MEDIA OUTLET should do this. Not even hardball, just "ok can you show me some numbers?"

If that's all it takes to get this chicken shit weirdo to curl up in a ball, then fucking do it. He gets no airtime then other than his stupid rallies commemorating when he was pitted against an octogenarian.

[-] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 86 points 3 months ago
[-] Hominine@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago
[-] nullroot@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago
[-] breakcore@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 months ago
[-] nullroot@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Oh, dogs. Sure, I like dags. I like caravans more.

[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

"Ma! Get me fookin' Adderall from oot the caravan. Jaysos Chroist. Any o you lads seen General Kelly? I got dags to foire!"

NGL Pikey Trump would have been amazing to watch.

[-] nullroot@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I have too much respect for the Romani people to wish that upon them. Although he is absolutely a born swindler.

[-] Fish@midwest.social 77 points 3 months ago

Holy fucking shit, I wish mainstream outlets would take notes. Any time Trump talks about crime or immigration or really anything, all you have to do is bring up facts. Quit fucking meeting Republicans in the middle with their lying and bigotry.

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 70 points 3 months ago

I liked this at the end of the article:

The Washington Post estimated that during his presidency, Trump made more than 30,000 false or misleading statements.

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I watched the debate between Trump and Biden and could hardly believe that there were no fact checks at all from the moderators. Sure, it would have been good if Biden had pointed out more clearly that almost every statement Trump made was factually incorrect. But can you really just tell any tall tales in your presidential debates without even mentioning any facts? That seems absurd. Is that the norm for presidential debates in the US? Or is it just that Trump would not have participated if there were fact checks?

[-] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 months ago

Do you think for a second that Trump would agree to a debate with fact checking?

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

No, but I thought the US public wouldn't let him get away with never engaging in a (factual) debate. That would make him look weak, because that's how democracy usually works. You know, arguments and counter-arguments - that sort of thing.

[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Trump lies at a rate where fact checkers can't keep up.

[-] Plavatos@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

Generally, it is more difficult to use the Gish gallop in a structured debate than a free-form one.

This sums it up nicely, and why I think he's like any bully: he picks his fights and only ones he can win.

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I don't think so. It's just the same lies he repeats over and over again.

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Repeating lies is essential to get the "poorly educated" to believe.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

It would have been best if there was fact checking as part of the debate, but as you speculated, there's no way Trump would agree to that. And, to be fair, it's probably a difficult thing to do live and accurately in timely manner.

However, other news agencies were doing fact checking during and following the debate.

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yes, it's certainly not easy to check facts live. But you can at least be well prepared, especially as the questions are asked by the journalists and they should also know the usual claims made by the candidates. I also don't think it's necessary to check every figure. I just mean that it makes sense to name obvious false statements as such - Trump has made enough of them, and most of them were anything but new. And yes, it is of course also true that there are fact-checks after the fact, but I think that this is often not noticed at all. The presidential debates are an event that many people watch, but unfortunately only a few inform themselves afterwards. That's why I think it's necessary to expose at least the grossest untruths immediately.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

The media are owned by the oligarchs and those mostly back Trump. Simple as that.

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I can't argue with that.

[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 34 points 3 months ago

That is a very weird way to phrase "Old man throws temper tantrum and refuses to do previously agreed upon interview when called out for lying"

As far as I'm concerned, every media outlet that sugarcoats things, or misrepresent things, or otherwise skews the truth about what the MAGAts are up to are 100% in bed with Republicans, and are mouthpieces for the MAGAgenda

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

He's really banking on the crazies overthrowing the election isn't he?

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

The Washington Post estimated that during his presidency, Trump made more than 30,000 false or misleading statements.

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 17 points 3 months ago

That seems like a really low estimate.

[-] poprocks@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Agreed. There's only so much budget and time they can commit to fact checking this turd. There's real news to report on.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 4 points 3 months ago

20 per day, certainly he had more than 20 interactions per day

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago
[-] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 months ago

Just so you know, trump is a known liar. Nothing he says can be taken at face value. Fact check everything.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

What a coward

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 months ago

Big strong man can't handle being questioned.

[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Talking about crime scares him. He's very worried the orange uniform will clash with his "tan".

[-] dogsnest@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago
[-] MediaBiasFactChecker@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Detroit News - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)Information for Detroit News:

MBFC: Right-Center - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: High - United States of America
Wikipedia about this source

The Independent - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)Information for The Independent:

MBFC: Left-Center - Credibility: Medium - Factual Reporting: Mixed - United Kingdom
Wikipedia about this source

Search topics on Ground.Newshttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-michigan-interview-crime-rate-b2599837.html
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2024/08/20/donald-trump-howell-michigan-crime-campaign-speech-kamala-harris-illegal-immigration/74844154007/
Media Bias Fact Check | bot support

[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

That's pretty weird.

[-] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 6 points 3 months ago
[-] starrwulfe@social.vivaldi.net 3 points 3 months ago

@MicroWave

All media everywhere needs to just start a “be for real” campaign whenever they’re about to interview him, and perhaps he’ll just self-censor into oblivion…
cc: @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

[-] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Someone got me on that scared, scared little man gif? I haven't quite figured them out on Boost, not that I tried terribly hard

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 22 Aug 2024
709 points (100.0% liked)

News

23608 readers
3233 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS