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[-] daddy32@lemmy.world 245 points 2 months ago

"each new connected TV platform user generates around $5 per quarter in data and advertising revenue."

Fuck me, this is the amount of money that's enough motivation for them to ruin my experience and make me angry?

I guess regular users have much higher tolerance to ads than me, but our home has a strict zero ad policy.

[-] Zwiebel@feddit.org 13 points 2 months ago

I've heard somewhere else that it's a 50/50 split between the TV sales and ad revenue

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[-] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 138 points 2 months ago

I pity the poor fool who sets up their smart TV instead of just grabbing an HDMI cable and plugging in their computer.

[-] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 116 points 2 months ago

That is beyond the capabilities of normies.

My wife would agree with this:

Media PC

And I've got Plex running on an always on NAS.

[-] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 months ago

Lmao that greentext was literally me before I finally set up arrstack. One of the best investments of my time, it has definitely paid off over many years of just having things automatically download.

[-] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 15 points 2 months ago

My Arr's are unreliable. The trackers they search keep becoming unavailable for some reason. Flaresolver doesn't seem to work with my VPN setup. Sometimes the file it finds to download turns out to be 54GB for a 1080p movie and I can't figure out what the hell is going on there either. I haven't got the time to look into Usenet any time soon. If I try to deploy something and it doesn't work 100% right off the bat then the "wife acceptance factor" drops to zero, so I've got to be damn certain before I start tinkering.

This comes off the back of a device on my network causing router issues and making Plex unreliable for a couple of weeks. By the time I diagnosed and fixed the issue, the damage was done and wife acceptance factor was lost.

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[-] Cl1nk@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

This is the way

[-] ChillPill@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago

Ive been pretty happy so far with roku and blocking stuff with pihole, but every day I am more and more tempted to build a media pc...

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is the way to go. I tried pihole using Samsung smart features, but if you block the telemetry eventually your apps stop working and you can't get them working again without doing a factory reset with blocking down. It's prohibitively a pain in the ass, taking hours every time YouTube stops working.

Never had any issues with Roku on pihole.

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[-] cupcakezealot 100 points 2 months ago

i for one cannot wait for this future

[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 32 points 2 months ago

I went to a buddy's house to watch TV and that's how his Xbox Live looks like.

Like they're so oblivious and he's paying for that shit.

[-] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

With that level of ads, they should get paid to watch it.

[-] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 21 points 2 months ago

Shut up and drink your verification can

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[-] teft@lemmy.world 66 points 2 months ago

Mine is a monitor and nothing more.

[-] Dymonika@fedia.io 18 points 2 months ago

Literally came here to say that. HDMI is king!

[-] Exec@pawb.social 59 points 2 months ago
[-] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 months ago

Definitely, but unfortunately TV's don't usually have DP.

[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

Any TV can have DP if you watch the right videos.

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 64 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I am so genuinely surprised that there isnt a bigger movement to hack TVs to replace the OS's on them with non-invasive open software alternatives.

Especially with shit like this.

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 months ago

Because it’s not actually necessary; leave the TV isolated from the internet and use a set-top box (Apple TV, Shield, game console) as the media player.

[-] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 32 points 2 months ago

While I agree, I think this solution is some nonsense. I bought a "TV" and paid for all the hardware and software that went into it, but I essentially have to use it as a monitor with my own hardware to escape the enshittification.

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago

I also agree, but I view it more as ‘I bought a TV, and that’s all I want it to be’.

I don’t care about the built in software features foisted on me because I wanted an OLED panel; simply because they are going to be abandoned within 1-2 years, are powered by some anaemic chipset that is already multiple generations behind what is already available in my TV stand; and will likely end up as an attack vector to my network some period down the road.

The article mentions that TV manufacturers make ~$5 a quarter from selling your data. So those ‘features’ aren’t even free, they come at the expense of your personal information, privacy and likely security as a result.

So to quote a famous Dave Chapelle skit: “fuck ‘em, that’s why!”

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[-] ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 months ago

Average users will not have the knowledge or patience for work arounds.

Imo, the larger problem seems to be the majority of users appear to be fine with ads and data collection just to watch a movie or series.

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 43 points 2 months ago

Imo, the larger problem seems to be ~~the majority of users appear to be fine with ads and data collection~~ a lax and ineffective regulation.

"Voting with your wallets" is a false premise dreamed up by corporate to avoid govt regulation and has not and will never be a real thing that works in this world of monopoly and lack of option.

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[-] nodrod@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago

First thing I thought of, Idiocracy, love that movie.

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

It's not a movie, it's a documentary. :(

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[-] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 33 points 2 months ago

I can barely see the ads whilst sailing the high seas. IP is the fakest of P.

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[-] noisypine@infosec.pub 31 points 2 months ago

Disconnected my TV from the Internet. I stream media from a PC on my lan to Kodi running on a fire stick. Setup openwrt to drop all packets to wan from the fire stick. These companies can get fucked and if they ever figure out a way to stop me from owning my devices, I'll just take up some new hobbies and be done with it all.

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[-] Eric_Pollock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Server to host media. Super easy to set up and can run on a Windows client. Don't even need an independent server to run it on. https://jellyfin.org/

https://kodi.tv/ (or https://libreelec.tv/ for an OS that boots to just Kodi)

Application to watch through Kodi https://github.com/jellyfin/jellycon

Client to run Kodi on: MeLE PCG02 Mini PC Stick https://a.co/d/1EGnekO

If you didn't want to install LibreELEC to the PC and just want to keep Windows, you could run Kodi in Kiosk mode and it would boot directly to it just like LibreELEC.

I have not watched normal TV in years, let alone an ad on my TV. I spoke to my neighbors one day and figured out they were paying ~$60 a month for all their streaming services, and they're STILL getting ads...

Stuff like this is unacceptable, and I refuse to partake in the lunacy and delusion that is modern television.

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[-] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 27 points 2 months ago

My TV is a smart TV whose smart features I never, ever use because the first thing it does is switch to the input my Apple TV is on.

Ironic really that the reason I chose an LG is because webOS seems less cunty than Android TV and whatever shit Samsung are offering. But I still never use it.

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[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 25 points 2 months ago

There is a certain unfortunate irony in the realization that one of the easiest ways to avoid this kind of thing is to buy a commercial digital signage panel intended for advertising instead of a consumer TV.

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[-] Unlocalhost@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

Start buying commercial displays. Cost more but will be about as close to a dumb tv. You will have to provide your own smart device for apps ...

[-] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 14 points 2 months ago

Commercial displays are not tvs. Quite often the refresh rate is terrible and you cannot watch action movies on it, because it was designed to show static billboard ads.

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[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 24 points 2 months ago

I revived the old LCD my grandparents were throwing out because it had good specs and no built in ads. Tossed in a new capacitor and it was good to go, otherwise I would just not own a TV.

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[-] kamen@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Since at one point in the near future I'll be shopping for a TV, is there such a thing as a good quality panel TV that is dumb? I intend to hook it up to a PC or a set top box. Alternatively, is there a smart TV that can be easily bootloader unlocked and rooted without consequences (similarly to how a Pixel phone can)? I realise this is even more niche than unlocking/rooting a phone, but still, someone might have ideas.

[-] SoleInvictus 21 points 2 months ago

I just bought a smart TV, updated the software, and disconnected it from the Internet, only allowing it access to our local Plex server. No ads and no stupid suggestions. It's great.

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[-] fishbone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 months ago

Jokes on them, my TV can't connect to the internet anymore because of the the bloat added by Roku in automatic updates.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago

Pro Tip: Connect your TV to your Wi-Fi so the TV doesn’t bother you constantly, and shut off access outside your network at the router level.

[-] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 17 points 2 months ago

Problem is getting an 55+" Screen with an OLED panel and support for HDR in a non-smart package

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

As opposed to the old days when it was an analog billboard

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I replaced the TV Box from my ISP as well as the Media Player I already had for local media with a cheap mini-PC running Lubuntu and Kodi and have seen only a handful of adverts on my TV in the last couple of months (which I might see only when I'm watching Live-TV).

(PS: Mind you, there is no way to avoid Product Placement in Movies and TV Series, so I have still probably seen quite a lot of "covert" advertising).

The whole thing is now under my control and hence I don't have to endure that crap.

Granted, I've been a Techie for decades and have for a long time been very aware of how software with Internet access is an agent of the software maker serving their objectives, not of yours serving your interests and how anything you paid for held by somebody else isn't yours until you take them into Court for it and win (so your "bought" movies held in somebody else's system aren't yours) so I never jumped into the Streaming bandwagon and instead kept my eyepatch handy and wooden leg polished, and when I got a TV some years ago - before the enshittification really took off - I very purposefully avoided "smart" ones like the plague.

Frankly even if you're not technically adept just get a Mini-PC and install LibreElec on it (which is purposefully made for non-Technical users to just to use Kodi) and get used to using Kodi. If you're into paying for it you can even subscribe to perfectly legit IPTV subscriptions with hundreds of Live-TV channels and it definitelly integrates with the paid streaming services if you can't do without and don't want to sail the high seas.

(I'm running Lubunto, a more generalistic lightweight Linux distro where I explicitly installed Kodi, rather than LibreElec, because I use it for more things than just watching stuff on my TV).

PPS: Also, get a generic wireless remote of the kind used for Android TV (which works just as well in Kodi under Linux, as all those things do is send key-presses using the same USB protocol as keyboards), not the voice control crap with just a few "app" buttons but the ones which look like normal remotes. They often come with air-mouse functionality and a full mini-keyboard on the back, but one almost never has to use that even with Lubunto which is not really designed to be unobstrucive and will pop-up "update" prompts once in a while (I'm tempted to fix that, just like I fixed the need to explicitly log-in and start Kodi, but so far I can't be arsed because it seldom happens)

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[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago

That's why I love projectors, they almost never have "smart" features built in. A Raspberry Pi can serve as a great HTPC running FOSS software like Kodi, connecting to a local, self-hosted Jellyfin server full of pirated content.

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[-] 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 months ago

Pihole on your network... And block Internet access to the TV..

Tho.. a while back the wife and I bought a dirt cheap 32 inch TV from bestbuy.. it will literally turn itself on to deliver an advertisement if you power it off while in an app. (Skipping the home page)

Pihole crashes it.

We bought it for watching football outside so it's unplugged for the majority of the year.. but that's still absolutely unacceptable. Imho

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[-] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

My cheap projector doesn't have 4k, but it also doesn't have ads

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