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[-] TacticsConsort@yiffit.net 143 points 1 month ago

Shoutout to the spike in women drinking when Trump got elected

Correlation is not causation, but...

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 month ago

The election was 15-16. Spike happened 14-15. Wondering if it was a methodology change to jump that much in 1 year?

Also fuck me but that was already 10 years ago. Was trying to recall if there was maybe some kind of viral social media thing that might have happened in 2014.

[-] ccunning@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago
[-] canihasaccount@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

The text is to the left on '15; zoom in and compare the circles to the year. It was a 15-16 jump according to the dots.

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[-] EldritchFeminity 5 points 1 month ago

Was there one of the several "once in a lifetime" economic crashes that year? I can't remember, but that was my first thought.

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[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 110 points 1 month ago

Obligatory NYT headline: "Alcohol poisoning used to be a time honoured pasttime in this small town, but Millennial woke mob took it all away."

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 73 points 1 month ago

I think at least part of it is due to weed. Both it being legalized and being more popular than it's ever been in non-legal states. At least for me, smoking weed kills my desire to drink nearly as much. Usually at parties or just hang outs it starts off with a beer or mixed drink or three, then someone breaks out the weed and suddenly I'm nursing my fourth drink for an hour.

[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

Interesting. Personally, it doesn’t kill my desire to drink when I do decide to go on a bender. If anything, for me it gets easier to drink when there’s weed involved, as I just don’t enjoy most alcoholic beverages, taste wise. However, since access to weed got easier and I don’t have to hide anymore, when the occasion to get a buzz happens, I just prefer the weed high to being drunk, and I can skip the hangover.

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[-] Atrichum@lemmy.world 58 points 1 month ago

I'm shocked there's no bump in 2020-2021. Many people I know, myself included, started drinking so much more during the pandemic.

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

These are also self reported numbers.

I know I wasn’t telling people how much I was drinking during the pandemic

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[-] FryHyde@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago

Also how are we defining "binge" drinking

[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

In the 18-25 age bracket though?

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[-] lugal@lemmy.world 50 points 1 month ago

It went from 50% to 30% which is less but the scale makes you feel it is much lower

[-] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 month ago

Yeah, graphs that are cut off is misleading graphs 101.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 22 points 1 month ago

Sometimes you just have to trust the audience to be literate. A 20% drop is very significant, it's not like they're trying to make a .5% decline look like the Temperance movement.

[-] Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

Trust the audience to be literate

But really, that depends on the intended audience.

[-] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Yeah and also its a decline in male binge drinking. Female hasn't really changed after a short term uptick.

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[-] mjhelto@lemm.ee 45 points 1 month ago

I enjoy being intoxicated all day and not having a raging headache the day(s) after. Weed 4 Life!

[-] Breezy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Not sayig drinking is fine, but you sound like you're dehydrated. If you can stomach water whilr drinking it reduces the negative effects

[-] mjhelto@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

The post was about binge drinking, which is a specific kind of "drinking"? I was comparing the differences between "binging" both drugs and the effects they cause after the fact.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago

You may also get a hangover from weed, but it isn't as bad as the one from alcohol.

[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

It looks more like the correct headline is binge drinking among men drops to the same level as women's binge drinking. The red line ends very close to where it starts.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

That's a very good point.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

As a non-drinker that seems like a lot, OTOH, I have spent a lot on liquor for cooking so...

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It’s depends if that’s from a store or a bar/restaurant. You can spend $100 on drinks at one dinner in NY if you’re taking someone out. Two people at $8-$15 a drink plus tip adds up fast.

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Now do the UK.

Would be interesting to compare and contrast with a country that doesn't have legal weed

[-] Z3k3@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Dunno about the rest of the UK but here in Scotland £100 is s night out

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

In Manchester here, pretty much the same if you include transport and a kebab.

More like £150-200 if you want to drink nice and get mortal

[-] captaincoupi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I work with students a lot in the UK, and there has been a real shift in attitudes towards alcohol. Yes, they will still go out drinking, but no where near the extent previous generations have. Part of it will be that the government paid for my and my predecessors education, and even given adjustments for timescale, booze was sooooo much cheaper then than now.

[-] alphapuggle@programming.dev 21 points 1 month ago

I'm in the 18-25 demographic. I don't binge drink cuz tummy hurt :(

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[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

I don't live in a civilized state with legal weed, but I can get the hemp derived delta 9 gummies at any smoke shop, and they do a damn fine job (until Ken Paxton gets a hard-on for criminalizing them anyway)

Since I've had easy access to cannabis that I don't have to smoke, my desire to drink has plummeted.

I'm not gonna tell you that I've quit drinking. I'm not even gonna tell you that I've quit binge drinking.

But I am gonna tell you that I was once that guy who centered his entire existence on "when can I start drinking?"

Today, without any interventions, without any criminal charges, without any AA, without any conscious decision, I've somehow become entirely indifferent to alcohol.

I'll buy a twelve pack of beer here and there or a bottle of whiskey. Used to be either would be gone the next day. Now it'll take months (plural) to get through either one.

Downside: I've been a whole lot less social without the lubrication of alcohol. Weed doesn't make me social. It puts me to sleep.

Upside: I've pretty much ceased all alcohol related bad decisions. No more sorting through texts from the previous night or having to apologize.

Really big upside: No hangovers

Young people don't have my decades of experiences to arrive where I am today. Seems like they've found the equilibrium without first having to pay to price of alcohol consequences, and good for them.

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[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

The scale of the graph is a bit misleading though.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

... what's wrong with the scale?

E: Apparently people just going through life looking at graphs ignoring everything on the graphs except LINE GO DOWN AND UP!!!

[-] Thrashy@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

It's only showing the range from 60% to 30%, which makes the 20% drop in male binge drinking rates look more like an ~80% drop to near-zero unless you pay close attention to the scale.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

... how is a linear scaled graph on both the X and Y axis misleading when the point of the graph is to show change over time and percentage within a small range of about 25% - 55%? The extra 70% is useless.

A Y axis graph going from 0 to 100 results in a squashed graph that's hard to read.

Do you just read graphs without looking at the scale or something? It literally has the data points listed on each fucking dot FFS lol.

There is literally, not even metaphorically, nothing misleading about this graph.

Both of you quit using that word. It does not mean what you think it means.

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[-] mastod0n@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Now add other drugs to the chart

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

Average of $105/month, that's much.

[-] woop_woop@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

This graph is quite confusing and not beautiful. Months? Years? The words and numbers font correlate.

[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

There's apparently a similar story for the amount of sex younger people are having. I've always attributed the story to the internet and social media. IE, Younger people are just getting their "fix" from and are addicted to something else and aren't bored in the same way older generations were when they were young.

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[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 9 points 1 month ago

It looks like the collapse is due to men alone, which is interesting that it is only targeting one gender.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If the difference is switching to cannabis, men do tend to be heavier users.

(Side note: one article I saw while looking for this referred to it as the "grass ceiling" lol)

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[-] JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I wonder how much of a role palate refinement is for this trend. For example: Starbucks, for as terrible as their coffee is, did a lot to elevate the overall regard of coffee; bean juice was no longer just a bitter stew we tolerated to get our caffeine fix. Starbucks broke trail for craft coffee roasting more general popularity.

Could it be the same with alcoholic beverages? I used to think Maker's Mark was the best bourbon going. Now I know better, but so many of the craft bourbons are expensive or just plain hard to find. Ditto for my favorite hazy IPAs. Why binge drink the good stuff when your palate is going to be wrecked after three beers? And since I'm not going to drink swill, welp, guess I'm not going to get drunk tonight!

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[-] Perturabo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Alcohol was good enough for my viking ancestors so it's good enough for me.

[-] HarriPotero@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

It's still cool. It's just prohibitively expensive.

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What’s with the spike for females? Wonder if it was political.

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Crazy how well this correlates with the rise in depression, anxiety, and social media use in young people.

Binge drinking is obviously not the answer, but getting out and being uninhibited with other young people in the real world seems like a pretty important element of being young as well as being happy.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 6 points 1 month ago

Everyone saying it is due to weed or alcohol being expensive...how about if the youth today are simply smarter?

I'm old myself and I was old man shocked when I walked past a group of young preppy boys having fun with their mopeds and standing in the middle of the street yelling and playing loud music with six packs of beer all around.

However, that's not what shocked me: It was only when I saw that the six packs were 0%. Nevermind the racket, these kids were having fun without alcohol. Skibidi cray to you too.

[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Huh, I'm surprised there wasn't more of a spike due to COVID.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 6 points 1 month ago

Young people were essential workers..

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