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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 146 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
  1. It's often wrong

  2. It's a bot and yet I still see it with the option to hide bots. Someone said it was flagged properly the other day, but since it's the ONLY self proclaimed bot that isn't filtered by the "block bot accounts" option in Lemmy, I call bullshit.

[-] solrize@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

I have it blocked so I didn't notice that it slides past the bot filter. That is interesting, but blocking it works.

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

I might unblock it just to downvote it tbh.

[-] LedgeDrop@lemm.ee 136 points 2 months ago

Since you asked:

  1. The bot provides little "value" vs the noise it creates.

I don't need a bot to tell me that the BBC is a legit news source. Maybe if you flip it around and only publish a message if it's a known scammy website, this might be less spammy. However, this "threshold for scamminess" would be very subjective.

  1. This bot is everywhere. This is closely related to the first point ("value" vs noise). It just sprang up one day and I saw it in every single thread, I'd read.

Fortunately, most Lemmy clients allow blocking users - which I've done and I'm much happier with my Lemmy experience.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 98 points 2 months ago

And 3., the blurb it posts is gigantic compared to what you'd actually want to know.

Also 4. The media bias website has its own bias in that centre right outlets like CNN are classified as left.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 months ago

Oh so Media Bias is from the USA and believes that anything that isn't Republican is left 😂

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[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 months ago

The blurb being gigantic is my main gripe. I use Sync, which includes a thumbnail of each link. The bot is wordy as fuck and links 5 different things. So every time I go the comments section, it looks like this:

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 111 points 2 months ago

Because it's biased itself. They whitewash far right conservative sources while listing anything that tries to remain neutral and fact based as having a left bias. Left center to be exact. Then they put far right stuff in "right center" to make you think it's equivalent.

Their factual rating is largely subjective as well. With similar amounts of failed fact checks getting different ratings.

So basically the guys who want to be the guardians of fact and bias are themselves acting in a biased manner instead of an objective one.

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 93 points 2 months ago

The bot is crap. This is how it rates Raw Story, a clickbait factory that churns out shallow articles with dramatic, misleading headlines. It just produces slop for liberal Boomers to fill up their Facebook feed, but based on the bot's reply, you'd think it was the Gaurdian.

[-] Womble@lemmy.world 64 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It actually rates it significantly higher than the Guardian, which it gives a mixed factual rating and medium credibility, which is the same rating they give the Sun. It's laughable.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Jesus, I knew it was bad, but I didn't realize it was that bad. That's insane.

[-] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 months ago

Ooof. If it gives the S*n even a mediocre rating, it’s shit.

[-] abaddon@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

Thank you for actually providing an example. I've asked and I've seen others ask but no one ever actually provides evidence to back their claim, they just downvote or say "bot bad".

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

Sure, no problem. Also, I think it would be disingenuous to pretend that at least some of this backlash isn't from people who don't like the idea that their beliefs may not be objective facts. I'd be lying if I said I didn't struggle with that from time to time.

But the real problem I have with these bots is that they can never capture the kind of nuance vetting a source requires. The Raw Story ranks high on credibility because they don't publish lies, but they don't publish anything worthwhile either. Most of their, "stories," are second hand accounts of something someone (who may or may not be credible) said on CNN, or how a politician or pundit got mocked on social media, and then given a title that implies the incident was more significant than it was. It's difficult to judge something like that with an algorithm that simply looks for, "Credibility," and, "Bias."

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 79 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

One should be even more skeptical and demanding of proof for wannabe trust-gatekeepers of the entire Internet, than one should already be for single newsmedia entities - the former place themselves as supervisors of trust in the latter and yet have even less proven trustworthiness than them.

So it's curious that the !world@lemmy.world mods keep on pushing for people reading posts on that community to use this specific self-annointed trust gatekeeper who has repeatedly shown that they themselves are biased (quite a lot to the Right of the political spectrum and pro-Zionistl) as their trust-gatekeeper.

I keep downvoting it because such action reeks of manipulation and is exactly the kind of thing that State Actors and Political Actors would do to shape opinions in the this day and age when people can read articles from anywhere in the World.

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[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 69 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've had to block it because it takes up two screens of my phone as my client doesn't support spoiler tags properly. I'm not going to change my client over one noisy bot.

Also MBFC seems to be a bit biased (it's definitely not correct on a few in the UK), as most bias rankings are, it's why services like Ground News use several of these services to make up their ratings. At the end of the day only using MBFC data isn't much better than listening to one guy tell you "yeah they're totally fine"

Finally from what little discussion I've seen with the owner of the bot, they don't seem to be very collaborative with the rest of the community and just shut down criticism.

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[-] qaz@lemmy.world 68 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The responses the admin who added the bot gave to people's concerns when they announced it, weren't that great. (Link)

The Lemmy.world admin disregarded all criticism and just said people shouldn't complain, after just asking for feedback in the post itself

Example:

What a terrible idea.

MBFC is already incredibly biased.

It should be rejected not promoted.

Admin response:

Ok then tell me an alternative we can use in the scale for free.

None? Then pls dont just complain complain complain… And dont suggest improvements.

[-] Irremarkable@fedia.io 49 points 2 months ago

As if removing it wouldn't be an improvement. MBFC themselves admit it's nothing more than pseudoscience. The fact anyone actually takes it seriously is laughable, especially considering some of the sources they consider "highly factual"

[-] kfchan@fedia.io 40 points 2 months ago

Ah, common LW mod behavior: act like you are open to discussion, but then get upset when people actually criticize you.

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[-] jakwithoutac@feddit.uk 67 points 2 months ago

So the answers in this post are mostly that people are downvoting the bot because it is often wrong and then others defending it by saying “it’s not wrong it’s just based on American politics”.

If the bot reported from a range of sources that reflect a number of different political perspectives I’m sure it’d be more useful outside of the scope of American politics, and therefore wouldn’t get downvoted.

As far as I’m concerned the vote system is working as intended.

The internet is not American. There are no nations on lemmy ✌️

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Agreed. NYT is center-right from my point of view, and I think it's a pretty neutral assertion. The bot says it's center left. That's the same discrepancy as if they would call Fox News Center.

In my opinion the bot tries to shift the overtone window to the right. Just because Trumpists call everything leftist media doesn't make it that.

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[-] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 57 points 2 months ago

If it's trying to tell people that CNN is center-left, who knows wtf else is questionable (or outright wrong).

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[-] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 53 points 2 months ago

I'm mostly in favor of leaving the comment-clogging bots back on reddit where they can all talk to each other without me.

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[-] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 49 points 2 months ago

Have you asked yourself who runs the bot and what their bias is?

[-] rezz@lemmy.world 46 points 2 months ago

Because it’s literally advertising spam. I can’t believe this person would want to ruin the entire good will of Lemmy by pushing their trash.

It simply serves no purpose.

[-] mashbooq@infosec.pub 44 points 2 months ago

Because it reports sources known to be unreliable (like Jerusalem Post and EuroNews) as Highly Trustworthy

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[-] Atrichum@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago

Maybe because manh people think it's useless and stupid and wish it would go away. Trusting a random bot to tell you the political leaning of an information source so you know whether to trust the information is peak stupidity, IMO.

[-] qevlarr@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago

Two reasons: It's a spammy bot, and it has a right-wing bias

[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 months ago

Oh no, now we need a Media Bias Checker Bot Bias Checker

[-] yogurt@lemm.ee 40 points 2 months ago

Even if you like the bot you should be downvoting it because that puts it in a predictable spot: at the bottom, without getting in the way of real comments.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 months ago

Ironically, bias fact checkers are also subject to biases so it could be that the bias fact checker was simply not that great in this instance.

However, I think jet explained the most likely situations well

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[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 36 points 2 months ago

I really like the idea of the bot.

If the source was independent; and could be trusted. It would be a great tool; the display could be a lot better but the idea is sound.

As others have pointed out, the source is a black box that may or may not be biased itself.

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

For me it's because the bias rating specifically is opaque and can be just plain wrong.

I could block it but if everyone who thought it was a bad idea just blocked it then it wouldn't get downvoted which might lead people to think everyone generally agreed with it.

At least when it's downvoted people take a step back and are less likely to just accept what it says.

EDIT: Also worth pointing out in my case at least I did go to the effort of actually trying to provide some constructive feedback on the bot through the proper channels rather than just downvoting and moving on.

[-] DeathbringerThoctar@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

Personally my biggest gripe is with the formatting, specifically spoilers tags are a terrible choice when the whole thing could be a single sentence with a link. Spoiler tags aren't uniformly implemented and when pointed out the stance is it's the clients fault for not doing spoilers the way the dev wants rather than the devs fault for not using a more standardized approach which just bugs me. If the goal was concise conveyance of information, they missed the mark.

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[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 months ago

I wish it looked like your screenshot. On Boost, I get everything folded out, occasionally with unclickable links.

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[-] pory@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Any bot that doesn't actually use lemmy's "I'm a bot" protocol (so I can hide it completely) gets downvoted. It's the only thing I even bother downvoting on Lemmy.

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[-] toastus@feddit.org 21 points 2 months ago

Because many feel that the bot has a bias itself, making it useless at best and actively harmful at worst.

I have no horse in this race and don't downvote the bot myself, but I have also seen it call sources center left, that are definitely not left of any reasonable center.

Because they don't want to take 3 seconds and block the user.

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[-] abaddon@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

My problem with the downvotes and the criticisms is that they don't provide any proof or comparison, they simply say that it's biased and wrong.

At the very least you should be linking examples and comparing against other bias checking sites.

For instance, I immediately disliked biasly.com because the rating system is -100 (Liberal) to 100 (Conservative). I've only compared a single site so far but the rating system alone makes me inclined to believe that the site is biased towards conservative views.

[-] Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 months ago

I strongly disagree. The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim and this bot has zero transparency regarding its benchmark, database or other criteria. That combined with the fact that it's usage (apparently exclusively) seems to be highly pushed is enough to stay sceptical.

Personally I just blocked it but I have full understanding for anyone downvoting it, simply to communicate "I disagree with the existence of this bot in this context"

[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 months ago

Whenever someone gives some good evidence, it gets removed almost immediately. Someone named “Linkerbaan” had two posts about this with actual evidence and it got twice removed.

I tried to search for the one where, I myself commented on and guess? It got removed.

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