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Idk, when you look at the entire picture, does Trump not have the far easier path to 270 this year? He only has to win 2 states (PA & GA) and that’s it, he wins. Kamala has to win at the minimum 3, and if she loses PA, it becomes even harder for her. Trump could just spend all of his money campaigning in those 2 states and get back in the White House. Yet these odds seem to disagree with me.

Am I trippin?

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 47 points 3 months ago

37% of Americans can't afford to pay a $400 bill without taking on further debt, and that means 37% of Americans can't afford to miss a day of work to vote.

It really could go either way.

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 48 points 3 months ago

It's such a strange concept that it isn't a national holiday to enable everyone to vote.

[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

It’s not strange; they don’t want the poorest and lower class people to be able to vote.

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[-] BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

But then Black people might vote. America still hasn't forgiven Black people for existing.

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

If the goal was to have everyone vote, it wouldn’t be Tuesday and everyone would automatically be registered with mail-in being an option.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 months ago

Or at least a legal requirement for employers to allow time off during employees shifts to vote.

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Sadly, it's not strange at all. We're a capitalist country. This is what our votes support every two years.

[-] Noodle07@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

In France it's always on a Sunday, because guess what: most people don't work on Sunday

Also if you do work on Sunday your boss is legally bound to allow you to go vote because of course we do, it's a democracy ffs

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[-] Atin@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Or at least on a weekend.

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[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago
[-] BadmanDan@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago
[-] Rottcodd@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

To "win?" No - not really.

But I don't think that matters much.

Honestly, I think that Trump and the overt fascists and plutocrats who are backing him fully intend to get him into office or destroy the country trying - that if he doesn't win legitimately, he'll "win" through fraud, or through the machinations of the brazenly corrupt and compromised supreme court, or through violent revolution.

His backers - the Heritage Foundation and the rest of the fascists and Musk and Thiel and the rest of the plutocrats and so on - don't just want to try to get him into office - they want to destroy American liberty and democracy. It's not even so much about him specifically - he's just the right combination of charismatic and shallow that they see him as their opportunity to impose the autocracy they want. And I don't think they're going to let anything stand in their way. So whether or not he actually wins the election isn't even really relevant, other than to the degree that that will determine what other strategies they might have to, and will, implement.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

He wasn't even able to do that when he had the full power of the presidency at his disposal. The reality is that he has a lot of grandiose plans that far exceed his competence.

[-] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 10 points 3 months ago

While he had fake electors last time, they weren't as widespread as they've become over the last 4 years. He also didn't have the coordination of the Heritage Foundation either like he does now. He also didn't have a House of Representatives willing to steal the election last time.

He has a lot going for his machinations this time.

[-] Rottcodd@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

He doesn't need to do it this time - he has a veritable army of fascists, a brazenly corrupt and compromised supreme court and a squad of billionaire plutocrats to do it all on his behalf, and not coincidentally they have a detailed blueprint in Project 2025 that tells them exactly what to do, step by step, to transform the US into a christofascist/plutocratic autocracy.

All Trump has to do this time around is just carry on being Trump, while all those other people do all the dirty work.

[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think Kamala has much better odds than Biden did this time around. The assassination attempt on Trump was crazy and solidified his supporters.

I think it's a closer race than either side thinks

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[-] marcos@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

Looking from half-way around the world, Trump wining seemed very likely until Kamala became the candidate. And now no result seems more likely than the other.

[-] Noodle07@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Same, it feels like there's no way trump wins again now.

[-] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

I think/hope the red states become more purple this go around. Might even flip a few small ones by the time November comes 🤞

[-] BadmanDan@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

I saw the rumor that Trump’s internal polling showed him below 50% in Ohio, if true, that would be huge for Harris

[-] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

My corner of TN is very red. I noticed the other day, whereas in 2020 the trump signs were all over, none are out now. Don’t see the shirts. And I’ve found a lot of blue friends here in the last year.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 18 points 3 months ago

Anyone else feel like it's weird how many are using the last name for Trump but the first name for Harris? What's the deal with that?

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

They always do that with women for some reason. It made sense for Hillary, since her husband was already President Clinton. It doesn't make any sense for Harris

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[-] BadmanDan@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Kamala just rolls off the keyboard better

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[-] BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Yes. Same as when Hilary Clinton ran. It was Hilary, not Clinton.

Just social disrespect for women.

[-] solrize@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

H. Clinton actually used "Hillary!" in her campaign materials, plus sometimes she had to be distinguished from Bill. So she was a special case. I agree with you about Harris and I noticed that myself and wondered about it. I don't remember it happening with Warren, Gabbard, Haley, Palin, or other female Presidential or VP contenders that I can think of offhand.

[-] Kolrami@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

I hear female supporters refer to her as Kamala. I think it might have more to do with the uniqueness of the name. I don't know of anyone who referred to Sarah Palin as Sarah.

[-] BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There have been 0 presidents named Harris. Who else is running with the name Harris? What is more unique about Kamala than Harris?

Saying ~~Kalama~~ Kamala is unique is just saying, "Wow, look, a Black person. How exotic!"

[-] Kolrami@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Harris is a common name for Americans. Sarah is too. Her name isn't Kalama. The error shows how exotic it is to you and your autocorrect.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

For Hillary it made sense since her husband was already widely known as Clinton.

[-] BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

We didn't refer to the 43rd president as George since his father with the same last name was already the 41st president.

People did not get confused which Clinton was running in 2016.

[-] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago

Kamala is a cooler name

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[-] dhork@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

That assumes that the rest of the states shake out as expected. NC and Ohio have been polling a lot closer than expected. Winning one of those would offset a loss in PA or GA.

There's a reason why we still hold the actual election, and don't base the winner just on polls.

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[-] solrize@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Polymarket currently has Harris ahead at 52-45 plus minor candidates. Yeah I think that favors her too much. Trump has been off the rails (I mean more than usual) lately but he could get it together. Also, Harris is a blank slate upon whom many place unfounded hopes.

The TV debates will probably be more significant than usual this year. IDK who they will favor. We shall see.

[-] andrewta@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I personally believe trump will be president. It’s just a given at this point. Will I vote against him? Yes.

But I am a realist. It’s just what is going to happen.

[-] BadmanDan@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I am 100% voting for Kamala, fuck MAGA. But like you said, if we’re being realistic, thanks to the Electoral College and Protest Votes. Trump’s path to 270 is far easier.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

I think the odds at the moment still favor Trump but Harris has run a solid campaign so far. We're still in "it's anyone's game" territory but Trump is constantly losing ground.

A poll recently showed that more Americans trust Harris with the economy and that's a really bad sign for Trump.

[-] BadmanDan@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

A majority of oddsmakers are favoring Harris rn

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

I want Harris if for nothing else than to see Trump absolutely implode. :)

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[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

I don't trust this. Just go and tell everyone around you to vote.

If you totally unplugged from informational media, and went to live out your days engaging only in the things which bring you joy, would you be able to tell who the current sitting president was solely by indirect observation? People like to blame presidents for "the price at the pump" and other miniscule day-to-day things. But is there any substance to that?

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[-] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 months ago

You may well be right and that's why it's vital not to be complacent. Donate, volunteer, vote. Get out there and make a Harris win happen!

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