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[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 173 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

i feel bad for all the people i know who got harry potter tattoos 15 years ago

edit: it's really fucking weird how people are trying to invalidate my criticism of the bigoted bigot who loves bigotry, j.k. rowling

[-] chilburn06@lemmy.ml 61 points 3 months ago

Why? I have a HP tattoo and don't regret it. The fandom has gone past the author at this point. She's a hateful removed but that doesn't mean that we can't still love the world and characters she created. We've made it our own.

[-] SkyeStarfall 108 points 3 months ago

Except she still gets royalties and uses those to donate to political organizations, so you know

[-] chilburn06@lemmy.ml 54 points 3 months ago

Tons of ways to enjoy the fandom without giving her any money.

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 37 points 3 months ago

I'm happy for you being able to pretend these things are separate from the weird cringe asshole who created it. personally, hp shit just makes me think bigot

[-] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 64 points 3 months ago

Better apply that energy to other things, too.

Like the rolling stones? You're a pedophile.

Enjoy Top Gun? You support scientology.

Ever played any Blizzard game? You support sexual harassment.

Ever ate anything related to Nestle? You support slavery.

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. You better get used to it.

[-] EldritchFeminity 35 points 3 months ago

Pretty much everything you listed is a convenience that can fairly easily be cut out of your life. Except for Nestlé, because keeping tracking of what brands are under any given food companies umbrella is not an easy task and the lack of competition means that oftentimes there are simply no good alternatives.

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, but that doesn't mean that I'm under any obligation to respect somebody who continues to give money to an author who has openly said that they consider buying their merchandise as explicit support of their politics and donates a portion of their proceeds to extremist political groups with ties to far-right Christian groups in the US. The same as I'm not obligated to respect Republicans who say that they're not racist, homophobic, etc, but still continue to vote for extremist candidates year after year who openly run on bigoted policies.

It's one thing to have no alternatives to buy or to simply not know of an issue with a company, it's an entirely different thing to continue to buy something from a company because it would be a minor inconvenience to avoid them.

Nobody is saying that we should go without things that make us happy, but there are plenty of other books to read, movies to watch, and games to play that don't support the FART.

[-] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

Enjoying Harry Potter doesn't mean they have to engage with JK Rowling.

It can mean talking about it with fans, getting a tattoo, cosplaying, or just rereading a book.

If you see a harry potter tattoo and the first thing you think is "bigot", youre just a prejudiced dickface.

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[-] jpeps@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Not really a part of this conversation but I just wanted to say that I literally do subscribe to all these statements lol. I try to reduce harm where I can, and not playing a game made by Blizzard is so easy.

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[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

Why not sail the high seas?

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[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 3 months ago

You mean the world where slaves like to be slaves and trying to release them is wrong, apartheid is right because the other sentient people look different, the bankers are antisemitic stereotypes and the main character becomes a literal cop enforcing all this?

It's really a magical world /s

[-] greenskye@lemm.ee 18 points 3 months ago

If they're a reader of fanfiction that is typically one of the major changes to the story that's done. Fanfiction has effectively rewritten the entire series to be more palatable at this point. Bonus points that you can read it without giving Rowling any money too.

[-] DiabolicalBird@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 months ago

If the fanbase needs to rewrite the entire series to be "more palatable" that might indicate something about the series itself.

Might be time for people to just move on to a different series.

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[-] EldritchFeminity 34 points 3 months ago

Have you seen the two hour video by Shaun on the books? I highly recommend it for a look back on the books and the issues that we couldn't have picked up on as kids but are pretty obvious on a reread.

They're not as great as we remember them to be (if I have to read the phrase "mannish hands" or another word about a 16 year old girls "square jawline" again I think I might vomit) and if the best parts of the world are the bits created in spite of the author, why continue to associate it with her work. Obviously, it's easier said than done when you're talking about an entire community, but there's plenty of other worlds created by nicer authors.

The best thing to come out of the series was the cast from the movies being as cool as they are today, but any time I think of the world, all I can think of is the token diversity characters named things like Shacklebolt and Cho Chang (almost, but not quite Ching Chong), the young Irish boy obsessed with whiskey and explosives, and the defense of slavery that's identical to arguments from actual slave owners in the US.

Plus, there's the whole thing with the hook-nosed bankers that totally aren't Jewish stereotypes. You know who created a fantasy race based on Jews that doesn't feel like an offensive stereotype? Tolkien. Tolkien's dwarves are based on Jewish stereotypes, but don't come off that way at all because of how they're presented in the world.

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[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's a great example of why you shouldn't get a tattoo of something that is intellectual property. It's way too easy for that shit to get associated with bigots/hatred/etc down the line.

Another example: I'd love to eventually get a Star Trek tattoo. I can see the suits at CBS eventually burning the IP to the ground, sure. But they probably wouldn't turn anything Star Trek related into a hate symbol. But what happens if it turns out that neo-nazis start using ferengi imagery to spread anti-semetic hate? You can't guarantee your favorite skin art keeps the ethical values or meaning over the entirety of your life.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

I know several "ally" and one trans HP fan. They all just "separate the art of the artist" as cope. They're also a bunch of adult children and I don't really respect their opinions on media.

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[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 74 points 3 months ago

This is such a low-effort shitpost. "Person I don't like probably thinks even worse thing than I've heard her say"

[-] riot@lemmy.world 72 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think what the person on Twitter wrote is in response to Rowling going off on a rant about cisgender female boxer, Imane Khelif (from Algeria), in the Olympics, and insisting that she's a man. Rowling's tweet here. There's an article here that outlines the response from the Olympics, and the other female boxer, Italian boxer Angela Carini, who lost to Imane Khelif.

Carini, however, said to reporters after the match: “I wish her to carry on until the end and that she can be happy … I am not here to judge or pass judgment. If an athlete is this way, and in that sense it’s not right or it is right, it’s not up to me to decide.”

And as that article also notes:

It’s also worth noting that it is illegal to be transgender in Algeria – so to peddle the information that the country would send a trans athlete to compete in the Olympics would frankly be laughable if it wasn’t so maddening.

Edit: Forgot to link to the article.

[-] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

And yet, at no point did she say or even infer "only white people can be women" nor bring race into the issue. The OP disagreeing with Rowling on transgender issues is absolutely fine, but to smear her by innuendo to associate her with also being racist is going too far.

It is also an example of the straw-man nonsense deployed by right wing extremists all the time; it's disturbing to see the same tactics being deployed by the left or centre on twitter and then more disturbing to see it being upvoted and even justified here.

[-] Catoblepas 35 points 3 months ago

Seeing someone deny the womanhood of two women who aren’t white and calling that racist only seems like a smear if you aren’t familiar with the long history of associating femininity with whiteness, and more specifically associating black women with masculinity. Black girls and women are consistently viewed as more masculine and less innocent than white girls and women.

Waiting for JKR to say “I’m doing a racism” before calling things she’s said racist essentially means never calling her racist.

[-] june@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 3 months ago

There is a history of racists denying non-white women their womanhood. See Michelle Obama.

[-] Kellamity@sh.itjust.works 47 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'd argue that TERF-ism, especially JKR's brand of it, has both classist and racist elements ingrained within it

The whole ideology is based around gatekeeping 'womanhood' to a single shared demographic experience, denying feminism to those outside of it

There are ways in which trans women have had differing experiences of femininity from cis women. But the same is true of black women of white women, etc

It might be explicitly anti-trans; but it's implicitly anti-in-group

[-] Seraph@fedia.io 51 points 3 months ago

Much like my mother, she should have no access to phones or internet after a bottle of wine.

Nah, give her another bottle. Let it all come out. Ask some questions and get some real honest answers.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago
[-] Skua@kbin.earth 105 points 3 months ago

I don't know whether she is actually racist herself or not, but she is definitely willing to promote racists like Christopher Rufo and Matt Walsh so long as she sees them as being on her side regarding her hatred of trans people. On that basis I don't think it much matters what she actually believes, what's she doing is spreading racism

[-] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 69 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
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[-] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 80 points 3 months ago

The last I heard, she's starting to associate with Nazis, so probably

[-] 58008@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

How long before we start hearing her spout that old canard about "well, as much as I disagree with Nazis, at least they're willing to speak honestly about the threat of <insert libelled minority group here>"? I believe this naziwashing manner of argumentation is called the Sam Harris Code-Injection Exploit.

Or my personal favourite: "Given how much society and the media have lied about trans people being human beings, I've now started to question everything else I've been told, such as the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines and the truth about the Holocaust".

I think Graham Linehan has actually said that about vaccines and climate change, that he now questions them because most of society doesn't agree with his vicious bigotry about trans people. JKR isn't far behind him.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

An entire bottle of gin will unlock some very disgusting traits in most people.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 3 months ago

It will only unlock the disgusting contents of my stomach.

[-] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

it stops my hand from shaking. how could it be unhealthy?

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[-] deikoepfiges_dreirad@lemmy.zip 33 points 3 months ago

If people could stop centering their entire lives around a mediocre piece of entertainment and letting themselves being spoonfed art in the form of capitalist "Franchises", maybe people like Rowling wouldnt get this much undeserved attention.

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[-] frigidaphelion@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

Rowling is a nasty cunt. (making this my motto)

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[-] blady_blah@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

It really feels like people hate on her way more than they should. Can someone explain to me where it's all coming from? I read some of her trans statements and honestly they weren't that bad. If feels too me like on a scale of 1 to 10, the hate should be at a 3, but it always seems to be at an 8 or 9. WTF?

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This sarcasm? She literally call us "The Penised" and claims we're stealing all the womanhood.

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[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Are we sure JK is a terf? Is it possible it's actually Barty Crouch Jr., posting from her account? Has she been compulsively drinking from a flask in person?

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 months ago

We are sure she is TE. Not sure about the RF.

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[-] Redredme@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

We lost nice people during covid, others like op prevail. It's not fair.

Wishing someone dead, in public is always a dick move. Don't you think, op?

(unless we're talking about Josef Mengele and those kind of proven assholes. Then it's allright.)

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 3 months ago

you mean like rowling wishes trans people dead?

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[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

If you think I'm going to feel bad for wishing a transphobic asshole with a large audience ill, the answer is I most certainly don't.

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[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

who’s going to be the brave soul that gives her that bottle

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