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Intel's stock dropped around 30% overnight, shaving some $39 billion from the company's market capitalization since rumors of a pending layoff first emerged. The devastating results come after the chip giant reported a loss for the second quarter, complained about yield issues with the Meteor Lake CPU, provided a modest business outlook for the next few quarters, and announced plans to lay off 15,000 people worldwide.

When the NYSE closed on July 31, Intel's market capitalization was $130.86 billion. Then, a report about Intel's massive layoffs was published, and the company's market capitalization dropped sharply to $123.96 billion on August 1. Following Intel's financial report yesterday, the company's capitalization dropped to $91.86 billion. Essentially, Intel has lost half of its capitalization since January. As of now, Intel's market value is a fraction of Nvidia's worth and less than half of AMD's.

As Intel's actions look rather desperate, analysts believe that Intel's challenges are existential. "Intel's issues are now approaching the existential," Stacy Rasgon, an analyst with Bernstein, told Reuters.

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[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 393 points 3 months ago

When I had to flash my BIOS and pray that it didn't brick my PC I cursed them, saying "Fuck Intel, I hope their stock plummets!"

You're welcome everyone.

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 216 points 3 months ago

can you do reddit next please

[-] foofiepie@lemmy.world 100 points 3 months ago
[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 85 points 3 months ago
[-] Damage@feddit.it 52 points 3 months ago

Let's do these before everything else

[-] kittenzrulz123 26 points 3 months ago

Then we move on to private equity firms

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[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Everyone’s acting like this guy said he’s taking requests.

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[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Can you tell a guy first, I could have shorted

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 191 points 3 months ago

These fucking idiots. All they had to do was pretend they gave a fuck about the chip debacle and play everything slowly. They couldn't even do that. They couldn't even pretend to give a fuck about anyone. Neither their customers nor their employees.

If they replaced the C-suite with the custodial staff, they would be in a significantly better position than they are now. Executives are always dumb as fuck, with very few exceptions. Pre-requisites for the job: narcisism, sociopathy and idiocy.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 43 points 3 months ago

If they replaced the C-suite with the custodial staff, they would be in a significantly better position than they are now. Executives are always dumb as fuck, with very few exceptions. Pre-requisites for the job: narcisism, sociopathy and idiocy.

Are we still talking about Intel, or...?

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 24 points 3 months ago

The funny thing is that there are executives who know what they're doing, but they may be outvoted by people who failed upward due to connections or a "good background" (ivy league, internship, etc.).

I always thought "what does a brand name education prove?" This isn't the 1800s. Community college now is almost as good as Harvard was in the 1800s. Back then, just being able to read meant that you were educated.

Also, what does an internship prove? You know how to carry 8 coffees at once? You can wear a cheap suit? No, it's all cover for connections. If businesses wanted the best people (say the top 10%) you could literally just set up a table outside a subway station and interview random commuters, getting probably 10 good prospects in a day.

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[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 125 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Brutal, nearly the lowest since 2008. Makes me want to buy in at this point.

Edit: I bought a few shares, so now they're sure to go bankrupt by tomorrow.

Edit 2: ayyy did I actually catch a falling knife for once? It's still going up after hours.

[-] bluGill@kbin.run 45 points 3 months ago

The market does tend to overreact so this is possible a sign to buy low. I can't be bothered to check the fundamenals but it seems unlikely that amd is a better investment long term. If you are not looking at least 5 years to the future stocks are a bad idea.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 54 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

OTOH: Boeing. Had the 737 Max bug been a one-off incredibly bad fuck up, they would have been a good buy. Then it turned out that that bug was just the first sign of many deep seated issues with their production process. Boeing 100% deserves everything they're getting. Management skipped right over lawful, chaotic, and neutral evil and went into stupid evil, and decided that sacrificing QC/QA on aerospace equipment would be a great way to get returns for shareholders.

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

They didn't skip those steps. The market just ignored the fact that they've been stepping through those options for the last 30 years because that's what the market as a whole has been doing. As cliche and annoying as it sounds, this is exactly what late stage capitalism looks like. Once growth through sales becomes difficult, usually from approaching monopolistic size in a market, they only have two options left. They can either cut corners and headcount to save on operational expenses or they can decrease revenue growth. Considering the fact that the central thesis of our economy is the idea that infinite growth is not only possible but the only valid pursuit of any corporation it's easy to guess what they're going to do when faced with declining sales or any other detriment to growth.

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[-] bluemellophone@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

Fundamentals: Intel powers the US military industrial complex, they’ll weather this storm.

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[-] cheddar@programming.dev 21 points 3 months ago

Don't worry, tomorrow the market is closed!

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[-] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 82 points 3 months ago

It's not everyday that I'm thankful that grandma didn't leave me $700,000 but today is one of those days

[-] Bbmin7b5@lemm.ee 70 points 3 months ago

And people will continue to buy the 14900k and have the shocked pikachu face.

[-] darki@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

More than that, for years it has been eating more and more watts and the electricity prices went up... But still , most simp for Intel 💀

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[-] darki@lemmy.world 68 points 3 months ago

More than that, for years their CPUs have been eating more and more watts and the electricity prices went up... Just keep them on par with AMD CPUs... But still , most default to Intel...

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 61 points 3 months ago

After how horribly they handled the whole hardware defect scandal with their 13th and 14th gen i Series processors, this is 100% deserved.

Intel is a cautionary tale of what happens when you allow bean counters who care more about EBITDA than their customers and staff to run the show.

[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

This sounds like a modern day version of the Schlitz mistake back in the seventies where they cut the quality so much, so fast, that the formerly largest brewery in America became a worthless brand that nobody trusted.

The b-school lesson from this was to drop the quality of your product more slowly so people wouldn't notice.

I figured no big company would ever suffer consequences from shitty product ever again because they'd figured out the drip instead of the open floodgates.

I hope more companies get to enjoy this fate, especially food producers.

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[-] KyuubiNoKitsune 60 points 3 months ago

Fucking good! I know it's not the primary reason, but it's by high time that people see laying off 15k people as a bad thing and the company suffering for it.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 29 points 3 months ago

I fear it's wishful thinking that the layoffs are what made the stock tank. It's certainly never hurt anyone else...

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[-] gcheliotis@lemmy.world 59 points 3 months ago

And to think I grew up at a time when Intel reigned supreme. My my.

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[-] Toes@ani.social 56 points 3 months ago

I never imagined a world where Intel was the little fish. Wild

[-] SloganLessons@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

Complacency does that to you

Nokia knows

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[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 55 points 3 months ago

Maybe they shouldn't have fucked over all of their own people.

Fuck em

[-] uberdroog@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago
  1. glad I just went with AMD. Dodged a bullet.
  2. Man that 11 billion they just got from us, so hot.
[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 46 points 3 months ago

They also announced they are going to stop paying stock dividends starting Q4.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/intel-to-suspend-dividend-cut-15-of-staff-upon-big-earnings-miss-d811a220

Back in ye olden days, you used to buy a stock largely due to its ability to regularly pay you back a dividend, as a more conventional kind of investment, before the more modern idea of 'buy low sell high' became the most prevalent investment strategy / market dynamic.

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[-] forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It took long enough for the market to wake up to it. They dragged their ass for what like 10 years without much real innovation. And everyone knew it the whole time. Then Apple ditched them. That alone should have been a huge sign. Apple does not fuck around. They definitely knew Intel had been rotting from the inside out.

[-] specialseaweed@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 months ago

I shorted them hard once. They stayed solvent longer than I could.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 3 months ago

"The markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent"

[-] PanArab@lemm.ee 32 points 3 months ago
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[-] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

I bought an Intel last time because I got AMD the time before that and they had issues that I can't recall right now. Security or they had to slow it down?

Luckily, I'm still on a 11th Gen. I guess I'm going back to AMD when I decide to upgrade again.

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[-] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 28 points 3 months ago

shoutout to the guy on wall street bets dunking 700k before it tanked to 30%

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[-] Aetherion@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

This will happen to the whole tech industry. Once people realise that Moores law is dead. Intel is just the beginning and „A.I.“ will not safe them.

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 38 points 3 months ago

Intel also released two generations of CPUs that just die under heavy loads.

[-] Zetta@mander.xyz 25 points 3 months ago

Seems pretty alive to me.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

If I got a snickers every time I heard moore law is dead I'd be obese.

Any moment now, any moment.

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[-] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

So, I should invest now for cheap and when they inevitably bounce back, sell?

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

Nice to just imagine that this was backlash to the inhumanity of the constant layoffs. It's not, but would be nice.

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[-] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 months ago

Ugh, I got a fair return from buying to AMD right before Ryzen came out. I sold some of it and bought multiple different chip companies so now I have some AMD, some Intel, some NVDA. Oh well, it's not a huge amount but still sucks. I hope they can come back if only because AMD needs competition to keep them from becoming the evil that old Intel was. I was hoping Intel would also be a viable third GPU competitor, I like my Arc A770 for the price and I'm hoping they don't kill off the GPU division.

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[-] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There is absolutely no way intel is going under any time soon. They may drop more but it's almost certain that they will recover.

I don't understand a valuation that puts them under AMD given how poor amd's market share is in the gpu market (which intel is now a new valid competitor in for the budget space) alongside the fact that intel's cpu market share is higher than AMD by a large margin.

I'm saying all this as a huge AMD fan. I have a 5800x3d and a 6800xt. I made our work standard laptop be amd based as I set the standards for my organization in my work role. I know my choice is the minority choice. Even in datacenter intel has an overwhelming lead.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

It's because the stock market is closer to a casino than a place where fair valuations of businesses are made.

Also, market cap is just the latest trade price times the total number of shares. It doesn't mean that anyone is willing to buy or sell the entire business for that amount, just that some shares were traded at a price that extrapolates to that.

It's kinda like getting an A on your first assignment in grade 1 and assuming that means you're a straight A student and will maintain that until you finish your doctorate. Or getting an F and assuming you might as well just drop out.

The closest thing to reality market cap really says is that investors who are making current trades believe that AMD will surpass Intel at some point. Or that they aren't comparing either company directly to the other and just go by feeling plus the price history. "I feel more confident in AMD today, therefore the price should be higher than it was yesterday. I feel less confident in Intel today, therefore the price should be lower than it was yesterday." It doesn't even really matter if yesterday's price was accurate, it's all just relative to itself and fed by fear and greed.

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