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The death of Haniyeh, a significant figure in Hamas’s political and diplomatic structure, has raised serious questions about the future of ongoing ceasefire negotiations. American officials had recently indicated that these talks, mediated by Qatar, the United States, and Egypt, were close to yielding a temporary ceasefire and a potential hostage release deal.

However, the assassination has cast doubt on the feasibility of these efforts moving forward.

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[-] aleph@lemm.ee 59 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Lol talk about a rhetorical question. Israel just assassinated the political head of Hamas. This should serve as proof that that any talk of a deal or a ceasefire over the past six months has been a sham. This means months or even years of war and thousands of more deaths, which is what Netanyahu wanted all along, while the US argues weakly in support of Israel's "right to defend itself".

[-] nogooduser@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

Every week or two there’s a new ceasefire deal on the table and then Netanyahu says something to the tune of “but we’re not stopping until Hamas is gone”.

It seems that the negotiators don’t have the authority to negotiate for anything other than “you stop shooting now and we’ll stop shooting when you’re dead”.

[-] aleph@lemm.ee 26 points 3 months ago

Pretty much. Netanyahu never wanted a ceasefire to begin with. My guess is that any talk of a path to a two-state solution or a ceasefire has just been a stalling tactic used by the US to deal with any criticism of Israel's war crimes. I wonder how long the State Department can keep this charade going, quite honestly.

[-] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 months ago

A slow but steady genocide seems to be the strategy

[-] aleph@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

👨‍🚀🔫 Always has been.

[-] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Exactly. Anyone who looks at Israel's actions and thinks their goal is anything other than the complete conquest, annexation, and colonization of all Palestinian territory is blind or lying.

[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

To be fair, I’d prefer they killed this guy than Gazan citizens.

“Footage from his office in the Qatari capital of Doha showed Haniyeh celebrating the Hamas-led October 7 attacks on Israel with other Hamas officials, before they prayed and praised God”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Ismail_Haniyeh?wprov=sfti1#Ismail_Haniyeh

[-] aleph@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago

This assassination is an assurance that countless more Gazan citizens are going to die. It's not an either/or situation.

[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I hope not. But you’re likely correct.

[-] sheogorath@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

And it totally shows that Israel already have the capability to decimate Hamas if they wanted too. Too bad they're just genocidal maniacs with Hamas being secondary targets.

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[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Setback? If the Israeli government carries on like this they're going to start a regional war.

[-] sheogorath@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

That's what Bibi wants, perpetual war so he's staying on power. Trump winning the election would also be a great boost as he's definitely willing to back Israel on a wider offensive war with Lebanon and Iran.

Compare this to the current Democrat government that told Israel no when they wanted to retaliate after Iran's retaliation.

[-] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

That's basically what Zionism calls for. Not just Palestine but a greater israel spreading from Egypt to Jordan. Now they are even wearing badges of it in their uniform.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Gee, ya think? The world is better off without Hamas, but to have Israel assassinate the leadership of a party it was negotiating with is obviously not conducive to good relations. They should have turned him over to the ICC instead. He was already wanted by the court: https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

From the statement:

On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023:

  • Extermination as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(b) of the Rome Statute;
  • Murder as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(a), and as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
  • Taking hostages as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(iii);
  • Rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(g), and also as war crimes pursuant to article 8(2)(e)(vi) in the context of captivity;
  • Torture as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(f), and also as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity;
  • Other inhumane acts as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(l)(k), in the context of captivity;
  • Cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity; and
  • Outrages upon personal dignity as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(ii), in the context of captivity.
[-] small44@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

Once israel stop the colonization, hamas will disappear

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

That is a naive view - it would take a sustained period of peace to grow beyond Hamas' current violent orientation.

[-] small44@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

I'm not saying it would happen in 1 day or a year if hamas refuse to drop arms like they are promising once palestine is free but without population support they can't exist forever

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

I agree with that - I was concerned your original statement implied it'd be a quick process but that sort of trust and stability take a while to build back up.

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

Hamas will disappear when Iran determines they're no longer useful

[-] small44@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

No amount of support from iran would save a hamas that don't have the population support.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago

I doubt it, unless the Muslim Brotherhood and Likud disappear along with it.

[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago

I will just send you to my other comment: My own comment.

I’m genuinely curious if you even know the history of Israel and when Hamas was created.

The world is better off without Israel and why? Well because they’re the ones committing crimes since 1948 up until now (and ongoing). There’s enough news articles, books and historical evidence of this.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

I'm going to guess you replied to the wrong person, because this has nothing to do with my post.

[-] Streamwave@feddit.uk 9 points 3 months ago

Any outcome where Hamas was permitted to live after October 7th or to govern Gaza was never going to be acceptable, and Hamas was unlikely to ever concede this.

Anything less than the end of Hamas would have been a terrible outcome for all sides. They’d regroup, rearm, and in a few years’ time they’d attack again, more civilians would die, and people would start clutching their pearls and warning about ‘escalation’. And in the meantime, the Palestinians in Gaza would have had to endure their brutal rule.

Once Hamas has been sufficiently degraded, there’ll be some sort of regional coalition to rebuild Gaza with Saudi, Emirati and Kuwaiti involvement and US security guarantees, a deradicalisation process for the Palestinians there, and the construction of a civil bureaucracy. The international community will be pouring in financial assistance, except that this time it won’t be used to build hundreds of miles of terror dungeons.

The West Bank is a tougher nut to crack. But Israel will have to deal with the Hezbollah Jihadis first.

[-] small44@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Why would you trust the country that give uncondtional support to israel and it's allies to gouvern gaza. Gaza would become like the west bank where the settlers would rules

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[-] itslilith 17 points 3 months ago

"the West Bank is a tougher nut to crack"

what do you mean by that? Hamas has little to no influence there, and it is governed by a civilian government that was democratically elected. In fact, they've been trying to hold new elections, something that Israel has been blocking for years now. There is little to no violence coming from the West Bank.

Contrary to that, illegal settlements (both under Israeli and international law) are tacitly or overly supported by the Israeli government. What is needed is a full Israeli withdrawal back to the internally recognized borders and internationally supervised democratic elections. That is the only way a lasting peace can be build there.

[-] Streamwave@feddit.uk 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

what do you mean by that?

I mean how the occupation can end. It's not obvious how that can happen, even though it obviously should. Go on Google Images, then search 'topography of Israel and the West Bank'. If a nascent civilian government of Palestine falls to Hamas or similar forces then they'd be overlooking Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. They'd have a throughline to Iran via Syria-Lebanon. That's not a risk Israel can take.

Hamas has little to no influence there

This simply isn't correct. Hamas operates in much of the West Bank, as do allied groups like the Jenin Brigades and Lion's Den in Nablus. They're also enormously popular among West Bank Palestinians.

it is governed by a civilian government that was democratically elected

So democratic that the current President Abbas is currently serving the 19th year of his 4-year term.

In fact, they’ve been trying to hold new elections, something that Israel has been blocking for years now

This is misleading at best. They're not trying to hold new elections, because every single opinion poll for about 15 years now show that Fatah would lose badly and certainly Hamas would become the new government of the West Bank, which would finally shatter the possibility of there ever being a Palestinian state. That doesn't serve Fatah or Israel. Israel therefore keeps Fatah on life-support as the least-bad option.

There is little to no violence coming from the West Bank.

Because it's been suppressed by Fatah in co-operation with Israeli security services who've been operating in the West Bank before and after October 7th.

By the way, right at this moment thousands of Palestinians in the West Bank are out marching in support of Hamas and against the killing of Ismail Hainyeh: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/dismay-in-gaza-and-rare-open-support-for-hamas-in-west-bank-after-haniyeh-killing/

[-] steventhedev@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

what makes you think there's little to no violence in the west bank? Are you basing that on media coverage of incidents, or on same comprehensive data source?

[-] itslilith 11 points 3 months ago

not saying there is no violence at all, but there were only about 40 Israeli fatalities in and around the West Bank in all of 2023, as opposed to close to 500 Palestinians killed in the same time span:

https://www.ochaopt.org/sites/default/files/WB_info-graphic_15_Dec_2023.pdf

That is despite the fact that Israeli Settlers are routinely and violently displacing Palestinian people in these territories and resentment against Israel is higher than it has been in a long time. Considering that only a few hours away, their perceived national brethren are involved in an active war against Israel, that number is staggeringly low, and would likely be even lower if Israel kept its illegal settlements in check.

The overwhelming majority of violence in the West Bank is committed against Palestinians, not by them.

[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Your account is about 8 hours old (from when I made this comment), so I kind of just assume you’re trying to troll or rage-bait. 

Any outcome where Hamas was permitted to live after October 7th or to govern Gaza was never going to be acceptable, and Hamas was unlikely to ever concede this.

7th October happens when you steal land and displace 750 000 people, murder along the way, create a apartheid state and humiliate a entire race. Hamas is a creation out of Israel’s actions. Israel is the core reason as to why there’s so much hatred and death. 

Anything less than the end of Hamas would have been a terrible outcome for all sides. They’d regroup, rearm, and in a few years’ time they’d attack again, more civilians would die, and people would start clutching their pearls and warning about ‘escalation’. And in the meantime, the Palestinians in Gaza would have had to endure their brutal rule.

So you’re fine with Israel literally murdering, stealing land and humiliating Palestinian people. Apparently. However when these people literally fight back, it is suddenly wrong in your eyes. 

Once Hamas has been sufficiently degraded, there’ll be some sort of regional coalition to rebuild Gaza with Saudi, Emirati and Kuwaiti involvement and US security guarantees, a deradicalisation process for the Palestinians there, and the construction of a civil bureaucracy. The international community will be pouring in financial assistance, except that this time it won’t be used to build hundreds of miles of terror dungeons.

Not true. Israel will never allow it. Their PM proudly boosted that he’s proud of not allowing a Palestinian state.

The West Bank is a tougher nut to crack. But Israel will have to deal with the Hezbollah Jihadis first.

You’ve proven to be an immensely Israel supporter and Zionist. You purposefully overlook Israel’s hateful behavior.  A bit of history of your ''precious'' Israel:

Israel became an actual state in 1948 by displacing 750 000 Palestinian people and murdering many (men, women and children). Laying sieges, bombarding villages and population centers, setting fires to homes, properties and goods. Planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled people from returning (source: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by ilan Pappé).

Hamas did not exist until 1987, they became an actual group only in 1987 because of all the horrifying things Israel had done from 1948 up until 1987. Which is approximately 40 years after what Israel had done to the Palestinian people.

You ought to learn about history and political matters before you even write or speak about these matters. You clearly have no knowledge about the state you are so hard trying to defend.

Since you’re a Zionist, I will finish this comment with a list of sources of Israel’s action and then block you. I don’t want to read zionists stuff, I know you can still comment but that won’t be my problem. 

 1. Strapped down, blindfolded, held in diapers: Israeli whistleblowers detail abuse of Palestinians in shadowy detention center.

  1. Death toll in Israeli attack on displaced Palestinians in Rafah rises to 45.

  2. Israeli forces’ systemic denial of fair trial rights to Palestinian child prisoners amounts to arbitrary detention.

  3. Israel prevents hundreds of worshippers from entering Al-Aqsa on first night of Ramadan.

  4. Israel's PM Netanyahu 'proud' of preventing establishment of a Palestinian state.

  5. Far-right minister says nuking Gaza an option, PM suspends him from cabinet meetings.

  6. Israel Defense Minister Calls Palestinians ‘Human Animals’ Amid Israeli Aggression.

  7. Video shows Israeli settler trying to take over Palestinian house.

  8. Hamas official says group would lay down its arms if an independent Palestinian state is established

This was added on Instagram yesterday, swipe to the left for the video with English subtitles;

  1. Israeli politician: Palestinian prisoners should be allowed to be raped

part 1

part 2

EDIT: Corrected the links, added some more text.

[-] Streamwave@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago
[-] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 11 points 3 months ago

Yeah it'll all blow over eventually once "Hamas" is gone.

If you're from the UK I'm guessing you're under 30 right?

Britain's cycle of exterminating Irish nationalists every generation and being surprised when the next generation hates you too would be familiar otherwise.

[-] Streamwave@feddit.uk 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Well, no, not overnight. There'd need to be a denazification process similar to what took place in Germany and Japan after the Second World War. The only people who know how to do that with a Muslim population are the Saudis and Emiratis, who succeeded in deradicalising their own populations in the decades following 9/11.

They'd play a central role in managing the civil administration of Gaza while that was given time to show fruits. It would obviously be far too early for any sort of democracy in Gaza, but it's a goal to strive towards in the long term.

[-] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 16 points 3 months ago

Please understand you live in a different reality to the rest of us, one where "Emiratis" had spent 70 years have their land and lives stolen before being "denazified", one where Saudi Arabia is a model to aspire to and definitely don't use violence to pursue their aims, one where Palestinians were somehow radicalised by anything other than the actions of Israel and Zionism.

[-] Streamwave@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago

Sure, I'm aware that I'm better informed on this than most people are who just rely on ambient vibes and prejudices. I'm not challenging that.

Neither the Gazans nor the Arabs of Palestinians have spent 70 years having their land and lives stolen. This sort of superficial analysis is commonplace in the West but bears no relation to the historical reality of the conditions under which the State of Israel came into existence.

The best account, drawing especially on the work of Benny Morris and more recent scholars, was given in a lecture by political analyst Haviv Rettig Gur here.

[-] PyroNeurosis 4 points 3 months ago

Ah yes, Japan, country that famously got rid of it's militant past rather than just ignoring it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reverse_Course&diffonly=true

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobusuke_Kishi

[-] Suspiciousbrowsing@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 3 months ago

You don't think by perhaps, oh I don't know commiting genocide and killing thousands of innocent people this will just infact coerce another generation of Hamas recruits ?

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Go away zionist.

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