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[-] tetrachromacy@lemmy.world 157 points 1 month ago

It helps if your two choices for president aren't Father Time and the Orange Rage Demon.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 54 points 1 month ago

Father Time and the Orange Rage Demon sounds like a great B-movie, though 😄

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[-] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

You dropped your p

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[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 81 points 1 month ago
[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago

That's the only way that democracy is not in imminent danger.

If fascism is only beaten by the same tight margin that more sane and humane (but still neurotic and cruel) conservatism was for the second presidential election in a row, that means that the second largest party in the richest and most powerful country in the world being a fascist party has become the norm rather than just an unusually persistent aberration.

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[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 56 points 1 month ago

I hope she picks a good VP and not wet blanket like democratic establishment would want.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 44 points 1 month ago

It appears she's looking at people who could swing a purple state, so that probably won't excite anyone hoping for a progressive ticket.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 month ago

Almost as if you need to win before you can do anything at all.

Like it or not, the reality of the electoral college.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 month ago

You can win in multiple different ways, not simply picking a purple state moderate. The whole reason there's a story about "more youth voters like Harris" is because more youth voters could help her win. And the youths notably live in every swing state.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

The youth are not historically known for showing up to vote.

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 12 points 1 month ago

That's what the media says, but kids these days are showing up more than their parents were at their age.

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[-] SeriousMite@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Tim waltz seems like a good pick. Seems to have a bit of the Bernie, no-bullshit, authenticity that plays well with independents.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My preference is as follows:

  1. Mark Kelly - Pros: Astronaut/Navy Combat Pilot; will pull veterans and people voting for novelty. He generally has moderate policies and won a national race in a battleground state. His Senate seat is safe because Gov. Hobbs (D) can appoint another Dem to fill it.

  2. Pete Buttigieg - Also a veteran, oxford/rhodes scholar; one of the best debaters in D.C. Coming from a Cabinet position so does not risk any loss.

  3. Whitmer - Contrary to some, I like the idea of doubling-down on women in this post-Roe, MeToo era. She brings a lot to the table, but she's no longer in the running as she (a) both publicly and privately declined, and (b) she like Shapiro would be better off carrying their respective battleground states without either state feeling like they've been abandoned.

  4. Jon Stewart - He won't do it, but hear me out: Viral excitement; strong debater; cross-over appeal to veterans & first-responders thanks to his decades of helping them. The Zelenskyy of our nation. Counter lies and half-truths with satire and mockery.

I DON'T think Harris should pick Cooper, Beshear, Walz, or especially Newsom.

[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 month ago

Mark Kelly was one of the people giving standing ovations and clapping away at Bibi's speech to Congress. That really made my stomach churn.

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[-] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 12 points 1 month ago

I like your list. I think Mark Kelly is the obvious best choice and I hope she lands on him. Novelty factor is strong, it would be foolish to underestimate the astronaut card. He balances the ticket well and might also help win Arizona.

Jon Stewart would be absolutely hilarious, though. If nothing else than for a potential VP debate with alleged couch fornicator Vance.

[-] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Damn I really want Jon Stewart to get into actual political office. He's probably the most trusted voice out of anyone for my generation.

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[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 12 points 1 month ago

Mark Kelly looks good on paper, but his pro genocide and lukewarm stance towards unions is a wet blanket. Do people find him genuine?

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[-] suction@lemmy.world 54 points 1 month ago

If you felt “meh” about doing the utmost to avoid Trump, you might just be an idiot,

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago

Remember, if they're voting in their first election this year, there's a decent chance they were under ten before Trump emerged on the scene as a politician. They don't remember what it used to be like. They think this is normal.

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

Shit, you're absolutely right but I never thought about it that way.

Jesus, we've let these kids down. This is all they've known through their adolescence...

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

There will be an entire branch of psychology opened up for kids who were born between 2006-2021. War, climate change, Trump, COVID, more war, more war? On its own, the fact that they're not spending every waking hour in ceaseless screaming is worth writing a few papers on.

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I mean...lots of kids have had to deal with worse...my main frustration is that we could have given them so much better with relative ease.

My grandparents were born in the 30s, growing up in the Great Depression (all but one, who had the awful luck to be born in the Philippines, and instead of the depression, got to experience brutal Japanese occupation). That's far worse than what American kids as a demographic are growing up with now, but that was entirely out of the hands of their parents to avoid.

I feel like for today's teens, it's not that bad, but it's bad because of selfishness and greed rather than huge national or global tragedy.

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[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

Fucking yikes. That's terrifying.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Young people are not renowned for their wisdom.

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[-] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 28 points 1 month ago

Shocker, few can relate to an octogenarian running for office.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

It has nothing to do with his age. His brain is on vacation. Bernie Sanders is older than Biden, but if he were the nominee we'd see the same enthusiasm as we're seeing for Harris.

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[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 month ago

Am I the only one sad because a “serious” publication allows a headline with “meh” instead of apathetic?

[-] Zink@programming.dev 13 points 1 month ago

It’s in quotes, so I think they made it clear they were quoting something the young people might say.

I don’t know if they’re right that the 18-35s use that word very often, but I think that’s what they’re going for.

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[-] Corgana@startrek.website 11 points 1 month ago

You're not alone, there are hundreds of Lemmy users who hold equally vocal opinions over details irrelevant to the point.

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[-] tearsintherain@leminal.space 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you're complaining about all the people who are now coming on board you should probably just stfu and get on board with the new nominee and face the facts that people calling for Biden to exit were right and you were wrong. That it did matter and it made a huge difference.

[-] FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

I honestly thought it was a bad idea to pivot to Harris but I was happily proven wrong. There's so much excitement and energy surrounding her. Like a breath of fresh air. Glad to see it.

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[-] radivojevic@discuss.online 24 points 1 month ago

They can “meh” all they want, no vote—no voice.

[-] Fisk400@feddit.nu 23 points 1 month ago

It's that smug attitude that got us Biden. Democrats win or lose by convincing the meh people that it's worth their time to go vote. If they don't go vote trump wins so they literally can't go meh all they want if Democrats wants to win.

[-] radivojevic@discuss.online 20 points 1 month ago

Pretty sure I just said they need to vote.

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[-] draneceusrex@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

They need to be more invested in their primary, mid-term, and local elections. That is the time for people to decide for better than "meh" choices. Too many people sit out of such a large part of the process. That said, I am also for throwing out first past the post too.

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 month ago

Less meh?

You mean they are showing less voter apathy

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[-] finley@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago

Oh, some good news. Finally!

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[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

If they want to have a future, a lot more of them should get to feeling zero "meh" about voting for not donnie.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

They just showed the party what to do in order to get them excited to vote.

The party listened to their concerns, and they fell in line instantly. All the party has to do to get voter enthusiasm is to listen to the voters.

You don't get enthusiasm by ignoring people's concerns. That's how you get apathy and resentment.

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[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Kind of bothers me that her age and gender are such deciding factors for some. I think some of these people would have voted mtg if she ran.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

The party demonstrated responsiveness to voters' concerns for the first time in decades.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

I've been thinking about this story for almost a decade.

Right after the 2016 election, there was a panel with the creative teams behind US TV's biggest political dramas. Veep, Scandal, West Wing, House of Cards, and other shows. All the panelists agreed on one point; if they'd presented a fictional character who said they 'liked soldiers who didn't get captured' the networks and advertisers would have demanded that the character be shown to lose the election and be hated by all sides.

We can't pretend that voters will do the right thing

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[-] razorwiregoatlick@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

She should just pick Clooney as VP so we can be done with it already.

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