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I mean, if it's PVE then yeah, it can works. Games like Fallout 76, ESO, Warframe, all can be played alone, while PVP multiplayer only games will suffer significantly if the playerbase drop below certain threshold.
Not only that, live service titles are absolutely tone deaf when it comes to respecting the effort of their players.
It doesn't stop Steve from being right with his statement, though, but his understanding of what a live service game's monetization model should be has shown to be two or three parallel universes ahead of what the "triple A" projects usually do.
Hell, paying real money can only skip you through the first dozens of hours of the tutorial. After that, paying effectively only allows you to get cosmetic options.
I remember when Warframe had Pay For Revives. Not sure if that was Steve.
But many things in Warframe are much more player friendly these days.
There's an interesting interview by NoClip which shows the early development phases of Warframe. They were stumbling their way around many new mechanics that come with a live service game.
They don't mention the daily revive system, but it's clear that in the game's progressive transformation from "tactical shooter" to "horde shooter", that system had to go. I don't remember if there were many complains about the system back then, though.
Live service gaming is having a bad time? Damn that's crazy.
goes back to ROM hacked Armored Core 3
Warframe has always been Barbie for mech weeboos. 🤌🏽
No, it's animal crossing for metal gear rising fans. No, seriously. The core gameplay loop is farming for items to fill out your mastery index so that you can increase your mastery rank. Animal Crossing is basically slowly collecting items to fill out your Nook catalog. They're basically the same. Warframe even has fishing!
Fuck, really? Fishing? Christ on a scooter, WTF.
Spear fishing. The cool fishing.
Don't forget mech-eel body possession fishing!
What's this now? Last time I played was probably in 2019 because the pile of shit was growing faster than I could farm it, and I got burned out because I was starting to miss out on stuff. Normal gear got put aside for prime gear when new primes dropped, which got set aside for event stuff when new events dropped, and there was enough event stuff that I started missing prime versions of my favorite frames and weapons. Last thing I remember was they had just started doing Nightwave stuff. I did some of that and then got upset because I missed a prime frame or two before they got vaulted, got discouraged and quit.
(Tbh I find it kinda amusing that DE is the one calling other devs out; yes, warframe has been an extremely successful "live-service" game (remember when they used to call it an MMO?); however, based on my past experience it seems like Warframe is (or was) at it's breaking point in terms of having too much to do due to time-gated content).
My space dolls are very pretty, i'm not even gonna try to argue against it
The end state of all live service games is to be thrown away.
This is a bit frustrating to hear from him considering this is exactly what he did with Wayfinders when he became CEO.
Wow, just looked into it cuz I hadn't heard about that. And yeah, it looks like that's exactly what he did a month after becoming CEO. In fact it looks like they closed the entire publishing side of the company and possibly laid those employees off. Super disappointed to hear that from the studio behind such a beloved game
Anthem was dead well before two years. They just straight up stopped updating it after like, 1 content patch.
Space Daddy knows best
I used to hold the Warframe world record for fastest "100% achievements" at just over 1,600 hours (mind you, I wasn't rushing).
I stopped playing shortly after Deimos released (late 2020). Is it worth revisiting?
I came back to the game half a year ago and I've been enjoying every update since. Seems like you enjoyed the game before, so I'd say it's definitely worth a try.
We have some really cool stuff coming up this year, too.
Well.. coming up 25 years ago.
The main quest is pretty good, at least! The New War came out and resolved, same with Duviri and the return of the Zariman. I'm currently pretty excited for the actual for real 1999 timewarp featuring John Excalibur himself.
As for gameplay, I think its been on an upward trend since deimos. New warframe grinds usually come with a pity currency if you just can't get a part to drop, and focus farming is a lot less of a pain.
Fellow 100%er (up to 0.7% of players now). Can't say I did it fast, as I didn't care until I ran out of things to do, but likely 2.5k hrs before I did it, now 4k hrs in and it is still a go-back-to game for quick 30min runarounds.
They've been having nothing but wins for a year or two. Games at the best point it's ever been imo! It's actually a game I recommend now, though the rough point is still frame/weapon slots.
I always forget about slots... It's a real stain on the game's appeal for any collectors out there. It always feels bad to realize that you've got to put premium currency in or trash one of the items you had to grind out.
There's a decent amount of slots for free through nightwave, twitch drops/gifts of the lotus of weapons/frames etc, but not enough to go the whole game on certainly, and new players won't know how to get them. I'm LR4 without spending any money because I traded for plat a lot to buy slots, but that's not something I expect people to do as a normal thing
That's a good thing if it brings the company down. Less garbage released.
Company proceeds to be purchased by microsoft
Good
Completely serious here: not only is Warframe the best free game I've probably ever played, but it's one of the best games I've ever played. It's honestly incredible how much love and hard work have gone into that game and I've never had to spend a penny to have hours and hours of enjoyment and if I hopped on today there would be TONS of content for me I've never even experienced yet. Warframe fucks, big time.
Yep! He didn't target Wayfinders specifically, just wanted to get out of publishing, but effectively left Wayfinders without any online infrastructure and took most/all the early access funding with them. I loved DE for how they manage WF, but that was not it. And it's even more sour now that's pretending like he didn't do it.
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