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"are we the baddies?"
The answer to that is a resounding "the other guy is worse, shut up chinese psyop tankie bot". 🙄
on lemmy.world i get called out for using a joke like this, but in the rest of the lemmyverse it's funny; such a crazy place and i love it.
Don't forget shit just works, they're even worse
That explains why they pre-emptively banned me before I tried to join.
More people were killed by US Customs and Border Patrol in 2022 than died at the Berlin Wall in its entire 28-year existence.
Maybe the fact that the US border is almost 80 times longer than the Berlin Wall has something to do with that?
Densely populated area vs sparsely populated area. We should really be comparing deaths per attempted crossing.
This source claims over 100000 people tried to cross the Berlin Wall, and CBP says about 3 million attempted crossings in 2022
That's about 1400 per million killed in Berlin and about 60 per million killed in the US. Considering one had shoot-to-kill orders and the other is supposed to be a upstanding country, only 20x better really isn't that impressive.
If anyone can find better numbers, please do recalculate my results, my numbers are what I could find in a few minutes on mobile.
EDIT: corrected Berlin number, I read the wrong one initially
This seems like solid data to extrapolate. Still shocking numbers of immigrants murdered by US agents when the number should be zero.
That’s about 1400 per million killed in Berlin and about 60 per million killed in the US. Considering one had shoot-to-kill orders and the other is supposed to be a upstanding country, only 20x better really isn’t that impressive.
Some percentage of people are always going to whip out a gun and start blasting when authorities try to detain them, so you're never going to get that number down to zero.
According to these numbers, the US police arrested a total of just over ten million people in 2019, and the total number of people fatally shot by cops that year was a thousand. So that's a fatality rate of 100 per million arrests, almost double the rate of fatalities per attempted border crossing. So, y'know, I think the US Border Patrol is doing relatively well.
I think the overall point here is the US just really sucks at the whole dont-kill-people thing
I mean... yes, that's true, but my point is that it's disingenuous to imply the US is "the baddies" by comparing the number of people killed at its enormous border to the tiny Berlin Wall. Especially when, based on the numbers, the US law enforcement seems to handle border security with kid gloves compared to policing its own citizens.
Oh so I guess it's just fine then? /s
That doesn't mean you need to kill them
When you post things like this could you at least link something else other than a screenshot of a tweet of a screenshot of a memo
FYI this is a publicly available government document, so you can easily find it yourself.
Next time ask politely, not like a redditor
Excuse me I didn't know you were allowed to use slurs on here
Lol sorry for the outburst. That's one of the worst things to call someone
old but "gold"
The EU has built 1,000km of border walls since fall of Berlin Wall (from 2018)
More people are murdered at the EU borders to the south each year too
Frontex ("European Border and Coast Guard Agency") is basically a front for the military industrial complex (countless ~~corrpution~~ lobby meetings) and has no regards whatsoever in treating immigrants like human beings
see here:
https://frontexfiles.eu/en.html
tl;dr: the EU is a (neo-)colonialist/imperialist fortress
Umm akshurally it's a freedom 'Merica wall™, obviously that makes it ok. What are you, some anti-American Russian troll bot that hates freedom?
Me: Killing and deporting the loved ones of your potential voters is not even a wise tactical move for winning elections
Blue MAGA: I guess you want Trump to win
Um akshurally how are we supposed to prevent Fascism if we don't use Fascism Lite™
executive being the keyword here
this post was submitted on 19 Jul 2024
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