Spoiler: He‘s gay.
Let's not jump to conclusions... he could be Bi.
When he brought up the issue with his grandmother — known to Vance as "Mamaw" — she replied bluntly: "Don't be a fucking idiot, how would you know that you're gay?"
When Vance explained his reasoning, she laughed.
"JD, do you want to suck dicks?" she said, according to the book.
So... 8 year old JD Vance instead wanted to eat pussy?
Considering not all straight women want to suck dicks, I don't think the desire to suck dick is a good determinant of whether you're gay or not anyway.
…… it’s almost as if there are subtle nuances to human sexuality that can’t easily be defined by how you enjoy your dick ….
Don't ever expect people who've been brainwashed to notice subtle nuances. Most of them don't even know their candidate is a conman and a rapist.
Especially when you can be both gay and asexual.
Cool can you combine those into gaysexual
Shit, I'm bi, and I don't really like the idea of giving oral to any gender. The thought of body fluids in my mouth kinda grosses me out, unfortunately. Makes me happy that people love it, though. The world would be a better place if everyone got to experience their ass getting eaten voraciously. It really is an amazing experience.
Also, if eight year old Vance brought this up with his public school teacher and they gave him the same kind of response (minus the "suck dicks" and "fucking idiot" parts), conservatives would absolutely lose their shit over "grooming"
Considering his grandma followed it up with
"And even if you did want to suck dicks, that would be okay," she replied. "God would still love you."
He clearly didn't get homophobia from her.
It was when his (step)Mamaw got stuck in the washer that he truly learned he wasn't gay.
Also, was this his grandmother saying that she knows that SHE'S straight because she wants to suck dick?
TIL J.D. Vance's mamaw likes to suck dicks.
Which is totally fine right? Unless he belongs to some sort of extremist group that base their identity around intolerance, racism and homophobia.. but that's just crazy talk! This guy could be the new VP!
No it’s not fine because he is insinuating that it is a choice that can be logic’d into/out of
I mean, for some people, it is. When you're exploring your identity, you don't always get it right on your first try. Just like there are people who are convinced they're straight that are actually gay (or bi, or pan, or what have you). Though that is far more common, largely because of the societal pressures to conform to heteronormativity.
But then, perhaps that truly is Vance's case here. Maybe he actually is gay, and his whole... everything is just him trying desperately to convince himself otherwise.
Being gay is not a choice.
I'm aware of this, but again, people don't always figure themselves out the first time. We are messy beasts.
Right, but the reason he's saying this at all is to try and make the claim that it is a choice, and that he simply changed his choice. Not that he found his real self without societal pressure.
OK but that is not the same thing as making a choice to be gay. That is the entire point. What he said insinuates that it is a choice.
I guess what I'm saying is that I don't doubt the facts of the story, even if I doubt the conclusion he reached.
My first thought too.
Every straight person I’ve talked to says they knew they were straight very early on. This goes for me as well. There was a brief moment in my teen years where I asked myself if I might be gay. It lasted about two seconds. The result was negative. There was no way I was going to be gay.
If this dude “convinced” himself he was gay, well, I think he might just be at least bi.
A lot of bi people just decide to only live as straight since they would rather not deal with the social stigmas of any degree of homosexuality
I thought I was gay when I was like 13 or 14 and then never thought of it again, the thought just went away
I still have long hair since that time but have a wife of 10 years ha
Without fail, another anti-LGBT Republican with stories about "sexual confusion" and "the temptation of same-sex relations" that all but confirm that they are queer and closeted.
A coworker of mine once tried to pick my brain on gay marriage say something to the effect of "people like you and I wouldn't be resisting the urge if we didn't know it was wrong". I had to pop his bubble by explaining to him that I had never felt the temptation to be gay ever in my life because I am straight, but if I really wanted dick I'd seek it out because sex is fun and I'll have it with anyone if think it will be mutually enjoyable.
He literally couldn't wrap his brain around the idea that I was completely willing to have sex with any person that struck my fancy, but that men were never even a consideration. He was experiencing the exact opposite.
Needless to say, he's still deeply closeted, but he doesn't bring up gay marriage stuff anymore to me because I think I gave him an ongoing existential crisis. I hope he figures it out eventually...
But statistically, once you're so deep in the closet that you've convinced yourself that everyone wants gay sex, and only "sinners" give into that urge, you're probably not in the path to figuring anything out. Unfortunately, these people always vote for Fascism, constructing the prison that they themselves will be locked in.
Can we convince him again so he'll target himself?
He just wasn't repressing hard enough.
What part of the boot does one pull on to increase repression?
That's when you lick the boot.
Grindr has a chance to do something very, very funny
Should we tell him? I think we should tell him.
So, is he...
Fundamentally misrepresenting homosexually as self delusion and a choice, or
A closet homosexual in denial, like so many other homophobes
I guess they're not mutually exclusive.
"I closeted myself and am resigned to a loveless marriage in my pursuit of a political career. Why can't you?"
I think he’s probably trolling in some way? Or maybe this is exactly what some conservatives want to hear, so that’s why he’s saying it. He seems to have learned exactly what to say to make people like him.
This is the same guy who hopes everyone has forgotten that he called Trump "America's Hitler," so he could just be extremely stupid.
I don’t think he’s stupid. Some people who grow up poor develop a talent for knowing how to ingratiate themselves to others. His changing opinion simply means that the target he wants to charm has changed.
It was part of his memoir written at the age of 22. He was trying to sound cool and clever and add color to his grandmother's character because she asked a 6 year old if he wanted to suck dicks. I wouldn't think too hard about it.
How to out yourself without realizing it 101.
I'm going to guess he also grew up in a highly religious household.
It’ll be game over for him if he starts to vogue while on stage with Trump.
If sexuality is a spectrum, he's definitely not firmly on the hetero end.
Right. So self-loathing queer person that has allowed his disgusting, toxic, religion to break his mind.
JD Vance once wrote that he 'convinced myself that I was gay' when he was a kid
And just who is he blaming for that?
Vance is looking to DL party at a log cabin during the convention
Nit: the title of the post could simply strike the words "that he" to read much more naturally
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