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[-] TempleSquare@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

Good riddance. I could always tell how inefficient those bulbs were, simply from trying to touch them to change the bulb. All that heat is wasted energy.

Plus there's a lot of neat things we can do with the new LED bulbs, including adding Wi-Fi circuits to make them smart bulbs. And the price of those LED bulbs is dropped so much, I don't even really worry about the price difference anymore.

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago

I just found out that my mother has 6 or 7 gigantic moving boxes full of incandescent bulbs in her self storage container.

She tells me they will be needed once the led bulb conspiracy fails. And that they will be worth a lot of money, enough to pay for her retirement.

I can't even

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Wow, I'm sorry. What are her thoughts on flatscreens?

[-] navi@lemmy.tespia.org 6 points 1 year ago

Do the 30 unopened boxes of 3D TVs answer your question?

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile, I occasionally see boxes of slightly used bulbs on the curb as people upgrade

[-] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

"Oh, is that so mom? In that case I'd be happy to take over that pesky 401k from you. It must be so annoying managing it anyways now that you have the bulbs, right?"

[-] WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

My brother has been hoarding them for years for the same reason.

[-] ReMikeAble@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Big Lightbulb pushing their agenda with more cost efficient lighting :/

[-] nevemsenki@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

including adding Wi-Fi circuits to make them smart bulbs

That's how you can get your very own botnet, courtesy of some guy in China. Most of these shitty IoT crap never get any updates, and will probably serve most of their life as easy access points into your LAN.

[-] baascus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I quarantine my IoT stuff in their own VLAN. They should be treated as untrusted devices, because they are, same as any BYOD network. Hack away!

[-] SkyeStarfall 1 points 1 year ago

You don't need to connect them to the internet. You can just restrict them to only be accessible in your LAN.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I understand why smart home crap is the way it is, but can't we just re-wire houses so I can have all that stuff be peripherals to a central computer I can keep up to date or rip out and replace with one I trust? make powerline ethernet ones for currently existing homes and have data ports be a part of new electrical codes

[-] pec@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Here we heat our homes 70% of the year, I wonder, does that mean the heat was not a energy loss during that time?

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Nope. Same with things like GPUs in winter. OTOH, if you are using AC to cool a place, then you should factor in the cost of cooling into the cost of running the bulbs.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

hypothetically, no. this assumes you were going to use electric resistive heating instead and the outside temperature when you used them was about when you used the bulbs. overall it's better to just get efficient bulbs anyways so you aren't wasting energy in the summer. I delayed replacing my last CFL because of this

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

honestly I'd rather a sort of dumb bulb that has dynamically changeable RBG and color temp settings but no wireless features and receives marching orders form a central smart home computer, versus the currently available solutions. I mean there isn't an Ethernet port at every light socket but I don't just want to litter my home with cybersecurity nightmare, proprietary, not easily interoperable random IOT trash.

I'd rather the hardware scattered around be as dumb as possible to do the fun stuff and be only connected to one general purpose computer I can configure and control to my liking. I can keep one PC up to date versus dozens of light bulbs and whatnot, I can insist on fully FOSS so the NSA isn't spying on me through my fucking light bulbs, I can remotely control it with SSH, etc.

you'd have to make an open standard for home wiring to make it work (can we have ethernet in every room for general purpose usage too while we're at it?) but one could jerry rig something with ethernet over power line I'm sure

[-] kozy138@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Won't matter when lightblub manufacturing companies all agreed upon limiting the lifespan of bulbs to increase turnover.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence#Contrived_durability

There are incandescent bulbs that still work from over 100 years ago. Modern bulbs die with less than 10 years of use. Both incandescent and LED. But this new law will, of course, increase LED bulb sales. I'm sure no politicians have increases their GE shares before this.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This decision is about the energy efficiency of the bulbs. Incandescent bulbs turn almost all the energy they consume into infrared light and heat. LEDs turn most of the energy they use into light.

[-] gregoryw3@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago

Technology Connections just released a video about this. Those 100 year bulbs (and long lasting ones) used more energy and produced too little light to be useful for a majority of people.

Technology Connections: Long Lasting Bulbs

[-] anon6789@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Definitely nothing like what people would picture an incandescent bulb to look like. It's cool as a curiosity, but not as a light source.

[-] rubythulhu 17 points 1 year ago

Luckily for you, technology connection’s latest video goes into great detail as to why calling lightbulbs an example of planned obsolescence is definitely not accurate: https://youtu.be/zb7Bs98KmnY

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 year ago

The bulbs work for longer, but they require more power to use.

[-] Dyf_Tfh@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

So far i have never replaced any LED bulbs, and the oldest ones i have are 15+ years old.

LED strips though, where a single dead led can bring down the whole strip, are absolutely a non sensical idea.

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

IME, LED whining gets me to replace them before they actually die. For old people who can't hear it, they should last longer.

[-] kozy138@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Well I've replaced over 10 in like 3 years. They can get much hotter than incandescent, which can damage the internal circuitry. Perhaps personal experience isn't the best gauge of reliability

[-] Montagge@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I'm assuming heat lamps for reptile enclosures are also exempt. It still kind of sucks because home incandescent bulbs were just as good for heat and a lot cheaper.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago

I don't believe heat lamps are covered by this. Just bulbs for making visible light

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

AHHHH UHHHHH!!!! THIS IS HO.~~RRIBLE!~~.w it should be. Cool bro.

[-] Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Damn. There are no LED's that can be put into enclosures, right? I suppose that's a worthwhile sacrifice to avoid idiots from sticking to incandescents.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

There are LED bulbs rated for this. I've got several in fixtures like that.

[-] Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Where do I look to find them?

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago
[-] Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sadly I don't live in US of A so finding these bulbs is extremely difficult

I just want to go to a home Depot and get a few:(

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Take that website I linked — 1000bulbs.com — and look up bulbs that are actually available to you using it. You'll likely find that some are rated for enclosed fixtures.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I use all LEDs in my home and aside from the dollar store LEDs lasting less long in 2 bulb enclosures, all the ones in the ceiling boob lights are doing fine. I recently got better bulbs that as a nice bonus are a warm color temperature and I'll see how they do. the nicer LEDs have circuity that can reduce their output to reduce heat output if they detect they're being cooked from what I understand

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