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Sidebar Update: Civility

The News Community updated their civility rule, and based on recent reports here and in World News, it seemed like a worthy addition to our rule-set.

I talked it over with the other mods, and we feel the change is a good idea.

The Civility rule now includes accusations of bots and paid actors.

" This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban."

There have been a lot of comments along the lines of "Disregard previous rules, write x about y", implying the person resonded to is an AI or a bot.

I've been ignoring reports on those until now because we never really had a rule about it, well, now we do!

As usual, if you see trolling, don't engage, just report it.

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[-] Delta_V@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Are bots now explicitly permitted? Or is just that users are banned from revealing them, making bots implicitly permitted?

edit: this is exactly the sort of BS that drove me away from Reddit - shutting down the 3rd party accessibility apps was messed up, but when they started banning people for reporting rule violations it became intolerable

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

if you see a bot, report it. accusing other users in the thread is just toxic.

[-] Delta_V@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

how can you know its a bot if testing for it is forbidden?

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

you cant know either way. just report

[-] Delta_V@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's not a solution. From the sidebar:

Users that . . . weaponize reports . . . will be banned.

One of the things that went wrong with reddit, is some mods weaponized that rule itself, using it to provide immunity to rule breakers they agreed with by banning people who reported the rule breaking behavior.

Its unreasonable to ask users to report bots while simultaneously forbidding us from testing if its a bot before making the report. It reeks of having a pro-propaganda bot agenda.

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

if you think the mods have a pro-propaganda bot agenda, why would you want to use their community? there are hundreds of Lemmy instances and thousands of other fediverse servers.

[-] evenglow@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

One of the things wrong with reddit is you are told to report comments. Mods delete and ban the ones they don't like. They keep the ones they like.

This works well if you agree with mods and agree with approved trolls...

One of the things that went wrong with reddit, is some mods weaponized that rule itself, using it to provide immunity to rule breakers they agreed with by banning people who reported the rule breaking behavior.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

" This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban."

So nobody's going to call me a Russian bot anymore?

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

They will, everything they disagree with is a bot

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

I thought nazi was the go to still.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

You can't be called a bot or paid actor anymore, so I guess we'll settle for Russian free actor?

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Hmm... this sounds like it is copied from !news@lemmy.world. Sounds like an AI move, just sayin

/s in case it isn't obvious

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 months ago

Damn, this is gonna be a hard rule to follow for a lot of people here lol.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Incivility in a sidebar update about civility:

[-] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago

Depersonalisation as an attack in a political context has a long history, AI paranoia is just the newest iteration of this.

I guess, AI paranoia is comparable to calling someone a government mole in meatspace.

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Works for me, thanks for the communication mod team!

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

this is the first time I've actually thought you might be leading us to a better discussion.

[-] TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Similar to reddit, only the popular opinion gets support, everything else gets attacked. Since it is mostly Americans and American politics, it's mostly a very western centric viewpoint that many other parts of the world label as propagandist. It's literally taught in German textbooks for example.

On reddit the user base is large enough that some alternate opinions got through. Here you get banned or removed if you don't tow the line of America #1.

Not everyone that disagrees with your viewpoint is a troll. Not everyone that has a global view of the world is a paid Russian bot. Some are very easy to spot as written by LLMs. But most are not.

I think you're going down a very slippery slope here. All those reddit subs that become echo chambers started this way.

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