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Switzerland mandates all software developed for the government be open sourced

Switzerland mandates software source code disclosure for public sector: A legal milestone

https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/new-open-source-law-switzerland

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[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 428 points 5 months ago

Public money, public code!

[-] stormeuh@lemmy.world 143 points 5 months ago

IMO this should be the case for everything developed using public money, looking at you, pharmaceutical companies...

[-] Liz@midwest.social 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The issue becomes when things are developed with a mix of public and private money. I'm not saying we shouldn't tackle the issue, only that it can't be as simple as public money = public resource. If that were true, nearly all of us would be required to work for free, since we got the majority of our education through public funding.

Edit: It seems everyone ignored the generalization I was replying to. Yes, in terms of code it's actually relatively easy to require that a publicity funded project be open source and leave it at that. The business can decide if they want to write everything from scratch to protect their IP or if they want to open up existing code as a part of fulfilling/winning the contact.

In terms of other partially government funded projects, like the pharmaceutical example given, it's much more difficult to say how much of the process and result are thanks to public funding. That's really the only point I was trying to make, that it can get very hard to draw the line. With code, it can be relatively easy.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You can still pay people to write public code, though. Just because you can use it for free doesn't mean it always has to be written for free. In some cases, sure, it can make more sense to have it for free if it's a fully non-profit volunteer-run project, but that is not the only way to write open-source software. Talented developers are still talented, open-source or not.

[-] nickhammes@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

I don't think anyone intends public funds to be quite that sticky; public education is itself a public good, and having once attended a public school really has nothing to do with developing a product 20 years down the road.

Also, writing open source code can support a viable business. Not every example has been successful, and some have been sold to hypercapitalist owners who wanted to extract more profit, others have failed to keep up, but Canonical is doing alright with it, Red Hat did for a long time, among others. Plenty of bigger tech companies also employ people to write open source software, despite it not being the company's main business, React, PyTorch, TensorFlow, and so many other projects. Those engineers definitely aren't working for free.

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[-] Tja@programming.dev 33 points 5 months ago

But it will be written in Schwiizerdütch, so no one outside of Switzerland will understand it. I think it's a dialect of Perl.

[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 11 points 5 months ago

Your joke aside, which I thought was funny did remind me that as it happens, the Swiss do an amazing job in making things internationally accessible.

Take for example their spectrum management system that not only allows you to search for categories of users, handles kHz to MHz data entry, gives access to the legal provisions and then the legislation itself, does so in four languages.

https://www.ofcomnet.ch/#/fatTable

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[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 219 points 5 months ago

This is the way it should be. Governments around the world have spent decades enriching big tech with public money, when they could have pooled their resources and built FOSS software that benefited everyone.

Same goes for science and everything else funded by tax payers.

[-] nerdschleife@lemm.ee 101 points 5 months ago

Meanwhile my country's apps don't let you open them if you have Developer Options enabled on android :)

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[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 88 points 5 months ago

Been contracting for the Swiss government for years, namely ASTRA. They have 0 concept of how that should happen. It's their IP, but they don't want to take it, host it, maintain it, or do anything else with it once the project is done.

Do they just expect others to foot the bill? Sure, free GitHub exists, but everything else? Open sourcing without maintenance is abandonware and usually useless.

[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 97 points 5 months ago

In contrast, abandoned open source software can be picked up and updated by whomever gets paid to, where abandoned closed source software needs to be reimplemented from scratch at great expense to the tax payer.

Not only that, open source software can be adopted by the community (who already paid for the development through their taxes) for their own purposes. Consider for example the productivity impact on business that starts using tools that it cannot afford to develop itself.

Office things like document management, workflow management, accounting, but also tools used in the science community, transport and logistics, anything that government does is represented in some other way in society.

This is a big deal and I hope that it will reverberate across the globe and become the new normal.

Whilst we're at it, consider the impact of open data, where government datasets are available to the community.

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

I'll gladly upload my stuff into some repo they allow me to. I've inquired about it in the past - I wrote a piece of sw that fills a requirement hole left by a widely used SCADA tool - but they outright forbid it. That was about a year ago.

My point is less about open source and more about how they have no clue how to handle their IP even now. It's a nice gesture at best (at least currently. Maybe there's more on the way).

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[-] logging_strict@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago

Step 1: all software has to be open source

Step 2: governments, required by law, to fund FOSS projects in their tech stacks. Helped by organizations which trace project funding and lobbying to promote FOSS security by providing funding; a huge incentive to not insert malware

Step 3: coders are afforded dignity (UBI); given funds geared towards affording a maintenance team. Regardless of country of origin. Vital infrastructure is vital infrastructure. Talent is talent.

I support this move to Step 1

Where is the list of pauper gov'ts which force talent to get a job rather than be a talent and then maintain their projects with dignity!

Those jobs are mostly nonsense. Geared towards wasting our time building:

  • yet another stupid web site

  • yet another stupid smartphone app

  • yet another stupid cloud base server instance

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[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 82 points 5 months ago

All governments should take notice

[-] ledix@lemmy.world 58 points 5 months ago

"unless precluded by third-party rights or security concerns", so this bill does nothing

[-] Vigge93@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago
  1. I imagine that the company would have the burden of proof that any of these criteria are fulfilled.

  2. Third-party rights most likely refers to the use of third-party libraries, where the source code for those isn't open source, and therefore can't be disclosed, since they aren't part of the government contract. Security concerns are probably things along the line of "Making this code open source would disclose classified information about our military capabilities" and such.

Switzerland are very good bureaucracy and I trust that they know how to make policies that actually stick.

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[-] BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net 10 points 5 months ago

It does one thing: make every contract have a clause specifically to combat this...

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[-] Gemini24601@lemmy.world 58 points 5 months ago

Open source will always be the best option, especially with a government supporting it! Imagine what government funding could do to accelerate improvements to Linux

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[-] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 55 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I work for a company which creates software for the government. Super exited for more OSS projects.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 54 points 5 months ago

That's fucking amazing

[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 45 points 5 months ago

Hopefully more governments will follow this. At the very least, the taxpayer should have the right for whatever software's source code that it funds development.

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago

This makes me curious in the US on whether or not government app source code would be provided via a FOIA request.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

Generally, works of the US government are public domain.

However, most apps are produced on contract with development companies, and I expect the contract specifies that the rights remain with the developer.

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[-] SkabySkalywag@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago
[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 36 points 5 months ago

I think that's a good call.

If the people are paying for it through taxes, it shouldn't be contracted out to some company who lock further development behind their continued involvement.

[-] BlanK0@lemmy.ml 24 points 5 months ago

Switzerland being based af ngl 😎😎😎

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Everything about this post is annoying.

[-] user@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Switzerland be W Rizz Skibidi af ngl 🤪

[-] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 22 points 5 months ago

I hope more governments do this, especially after how unsurprisingly shit (read: insecure) microsoft has become.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago
[-] F4U57@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 months ago

There going to face a whole bunch of compatibility issues when dealing with other countries imho. However, i personally find this to be a good thing. Its at the very least a strike at the heart of big systems controlling the masses.

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

Now there is some common sense.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago

Wasn't there EU-wide law about it?

[-] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 29 points 5 months ago

Switzerland isn't in the EU

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[-] HEXN3T 15 points 5 months ago

Can't wait for our US government to catch up never.

[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago

They actively fight progress in some areas.

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[-] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Together monkey strong!!

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 14 points 5 months ago

Tangential, but there's a long list of government github accounts here: https://government.github.com/community/

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Is their Microsoft deal about to expire?

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

bites lip, damn Switzerland…. that is hot as fuck

[-] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

If only other non-podunk countries would follow suit.

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[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Good. Now try ODF, to have a choice aside from MS Office.

[-] clot27@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago

common switzerland W

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