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[-] Breadhax0r@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago

I guess way back when microsoft said than win10 would be the last version of windows, what the meant was it would be the last anyone wants to use.

[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago

Microsoft won't stop me from continuing to not use Windows

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

They certainly tried with Secure Boot. Thank Stallman that UEFI is a somewhat-open architecture.

[-] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

I think it’s more like what Mozilla is to google; Linux to Microsoft is a tool to prevent antitrust issues

[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 63 points 1 year ago

What do you want me to do, Microsoft? Install Linux twice?

[-] tourist@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can do that

I recommend it, even if you don't need it, bc it fun

[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Oh yes! I have done it. A bunch of Linux VMs using Ovirt running on top of CentOS just to test some kernel changes.

[-] KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 year ago
[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

People still use dedicated email clients? Why?

[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago

It works better for searching, it works offline, catch-all addresses just work with correct from address when replying, backup and archiving, can move mails from box to box without sending.

I also use roundcube, but only to read mails. If I want to reply to a catch-all mail I have to create an alias which is super tedious.

[-] jasonlearst@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

catch-all addresses just work with correct from address when replying

What do you mean by this? I’d like to be able to reply from a website@mydomain.com automatically.

For me Thunderbird makes me create an alias in order to reply to my catch all (*@mydomain.com). Did you have to configure something specifically?

[-] WaterWaiver@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago

I click on my "From" address and then select "Customize From Address...". I can then type anything I want up there. It's a little annoying when replying to an email chain with an alias, but not too many steps.

[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

See my other reply, you can automate this with a setting so you don't have to edit it manually every time.

[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

This is built into Thunderbird for a while now.

https://i.imgur.com/065RFJJ.png

  1. Go to Account Settings
  2. Enable Reply from this identity when delivery headers match
  3. Enter your domain prefixed by a wildcard (*), for example *@yourdomain.com
  4. Close/confirm all your changes
  5. Open an email that was sent to one of your catch-all addresses and click the reply button.
  6. The FROM field should be the catch-all address and not your general address.
[-] JustARegularNerd@aussie.zone 14 points 1 year ago

I have email addresses under Outlook (old personal account), Gmail (study provided email), Exchange (work) and Proton (main personal account). I also actively use the calendar feature in my client, which is sync'd up to my Nextcloud instance.

Just having it all under Thunderbird is so convenient and it feels more private. It's also an entirely consistent UI between accounts

[-] beyond@linkage.ds8.zone 12 points 1 year ago

Same reason anyone would use a dedicated provider-independent client instead of a proprietary web application locked into a single provider: less vendor lock-in, more local control, and so on.

[-] Thalestr@beehaw.org 23 points 1 year ago

I'd never use a Microsoft mail client anyway. I use Thunderbird.

[-] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thunderbird has a pretty ass UI though and it's still pretty janky at times. I only switched to it over the mail app after email sent to our support department had some random persons name associated with the "contact"

Windows 10s mail app wasn't bad, but now that it's this new outlook thing I'd never go back.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

It took me a sec to get the hang of it, but I'm good with Thunderbird

It's not hard to figure out, the UI/UX is just kinda ass. It's got that open source made for developers by developers feel and not made for actual users feel.

The biggest thing I liked about the windows 10 mail client was how well it scaled to different sized displays, and all on the fly. Thunderbird I either make it look good for my 4k monitor, but unusable on my laptop if it's a small window, or I make it look good on the laptop and it's horrendous use of space. Without going into crazy themes the thunderbird client looks straight outa 2002 no matter what font sizes and layouts you tweak.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah I'm with you on the display, especially with a docking laptop. I just kinda fell into it without much searching around, I'm sure there are more user friendly clients out there but it works just fine for my usage and I honestly don't have time or energy to go on the hunt for the perfect client lol

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[-] rekabis@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago

Thunderbird is acquiring Exchange features.

They haven’t turned them on just yet owing to a little last-minute work, but your ability to sync calendars and address books with an ActiveSync/Exchange-compatible eMail server is coming soon.

[-] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago

Why would I want to use any app that MS makes

[-] Tja@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago

Because some are good. VSCode for instance.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Vscode is not that good IMO.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

I'm open for suggestions for a better one, but for me it uniquely combines open source (kind of) with ease of use and functionality / expandability. I used emacs for more than a decade and switched to VSCode (although I don't do coding as my primary activity anymore). Tried neovim, sublime, netbeans and webstorm and didn't convince me.

[-] Wooki@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Neovim, hands down.

Mic drop

[-] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

If I were writing code 40h a week maybe, but my emacs brain can't get used to vim motions.

[-] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

Technically still made by Microsoft, but what about VSCodium?

[-] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

That's what I meant by "kind of" open source.

[-] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

Why would you switch from Emacs? That's a genuine question, as an Emacs user?

[-] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Support for weird stuff like integration with smart home (home assistant), better syntax highlighting / autocomplete for specific cases (like the home assistant mentioned above), better support for mixed fonts, database integration, more efficient use of screen real estate for side panels and less effort to add new languages in general (cdk, terraform, k8s with crd, go, etc), one click github copilot...

My current role needs me to deal with whatever the customer is using, so a whole lot of variability, custom resources and libraries, languages that I'm not super familiar with... It's just easier.

If it helps, I'm still running Arch, BTW. (but probably will go with just debian when my computer dies, whenever that will be).

[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Atom was better. Pour one out for my homie

[-] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Yes officer, this comment right here.

[-] ulkesh@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

Easy solution -- don't use Windows.

[-] Spot@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago
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[-] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

If anyone's in this thread because they're looking for a new mail client after Microsoft killed the old Mail app, and haven't been happy with the typical suggestions of using each email service's web interface or Thunderbird, I found I don't hate Mailspring (with the fancy features disabled - I just want my email client to do email well and don't want extras that provide clutter).

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

New Outlook is a pile of shit compared to the desktop Outlook app. It's been causing a lot of headaches for my coworkers. Microsoft had better port near every single feature over to the newapp before they force everyone on it.

[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Does it matter if everyone stays on windows 10?

[-] dvdnet62@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago

you cannot stay on win10 forever though. deadline is approaching

[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

The majority of regular folks will only ever upgrade when they get a new computer. Most Me Maw's and Pa Paw's would sooner let their computers catch fire from being loaded with cat than get a new one. Hell. They are all still using ball mice.

As for me, as long as I have an iso I'll happily run it in a vm. Indefinitely.

[-] piyuv@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Ball mice is better than laser mice since you can take out the ball and play with it

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[-] 0xtero@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Threatening us with good times? I think I'll stick to Mutt.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

oh no, please let me use those shitty apps that you keep pestering me to use and i say fuck off every time, please!

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Does that mean the only official email app will be the one that uploads the passwords to all your email accounts to Microsoft?

[-] kindenough@kbin.earth 4 points 1 year ago

Good riddance.

I absolutely dislike Outlook desktop, don't trust it either. Used Thunderbird back in the day, but switched to emailing on tablets or phone + TrueNas for desktop files.

FairEmail Pro on tablet is all I need for email. It is open source and imo simplest to use. It's free and the pro version set me back 7€ or so.

[-] Itookmyprozac@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

[meme] Oh no! Anyway... [/meme]

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Willy Wonka, I invoke thee... please come express my feelings on this for me.

[-] Mio@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago

I actually like that app. But can't use it reliable now since they gave it up. Welcome EMClient and Thunderbird.

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