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submitted 4 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

The tech mogul’s platform is the first to get hit with charges under new EU social media law.

The European Union is calling Elon Musk to order over how he turned social media site X into a haven for disinformation and illegal content.

The EU Commission on Friday formally charged X for failing to respect EU social media law. The platform could face a sweeping multi-million euro fine in a pioneering case under the bloc's new Digital Services Act (DSA), a law to clamp down on toxic and illegal online content and algorithms

Musk's X has been in Brussels' crosshairs ever since the billionaire took over the company, formerly known as Twitter, in 2022. X has been accused of letting disinformation and illegal hate speech run wild, roll out misleading authentication features and blocking external researchers from tools to scrutinize how malicious content on the platforms spreads

The European Commission oversees X and two dozens of the world's largest online platforms including Facebook, YouTube and others. The EU executive's probe into Musk's firm opened in December 2023 and was the first formal investigation. Friday's charges are the first-ever under the DSA. 

Infringements of the DSA could lead to fines of up to 6 percent of a X’s global revenue.

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[-] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 103 points 4 months ago

I don’t go on that shithole site, but it seems like he not just letting disinformation go wild, but banning info

[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

And promoting disinfo. The blue checkmarks are basically just a way to pay for prioritized disinformation-spreading.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 73 points 4 months ago

DSA enforcement is spicy, since the EU can create its own team to fight disinfo on Twitter, and charge it to Musk, in addition to the massive fine.

[-] prex@aussie.zone 16 points 4 months ago

Please tell me that, as someone outside the EU, I also reap the benefits of this spicy awesomeness.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 25 points 4 months ago

As long as Twitter does business in the EU, it has to follow the law.

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 69 points 4 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Also, he just says he's autistic. As far as is known, he's never actually gotten an evaluation.

So he's not just using autism as an excuse, he might not even have autism. And he wouldn't, sadly, be the first to pretend he did to excuse his behavior.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 9 points 4 months ago

The Autistic Community doesn't deserve to mentioned in the same sentence as his.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 59 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What if Musk pulls Twitter out of the EU? What fraction of their revenue is that, I wonder?

Normally this would be too crazy to even consider, but... this is Musk we're talking about. I'm sure he hates the EU government's guts already. And that totally sounds like an impulse decision he would make.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 49 points 4 months ago
[-] suction@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Hmm..EU citizens would be winning, but who else?

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[-] TurtleJoe@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

I think his main motivation for continuing to run the company is to spread his agenda. If it only costs him a small percent of revenue to keep pushing Nazi taking points, thenbi think he'll just pay the fines.

[-] Gsus4@programming.dev 17 points 4 months ago

hehe, double the fines every day of noncompliance. I heard you like fines, so I added some fines on your fines and some fines on top of those to go with your fines. Don't fuck with EU regulators.

[-] awesome_lowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Even without doubling, fines on a regular basis can hurt. Norway imposed $100k fine on FB on a daily basis, and FB is scrambling to do something about it, especially before other countries in the EU follow suit

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 7 points 4 months ago

100k isn't that much. However, if the EU decides to go for the total 6% of global revenue it will cost Musk a shitload of money.

[-] awesome_lowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 months ago

100k is a lot when you consider how small Norway's population is. If you extend that same ratio per capita to the rest of the EU, FB would go broke.

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[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 29 points 4 months ago

As someone who works in the field, DSA-like regulation is coming to many countries over the next couple years. We also have regulations on political ads that are similar to DSA already in many countries already. Mega platforms like X have little choice but to get compliant

[-] uis@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

A lot of companies that loudly "pulled out of Russia" are still working in Russia.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Twitter's business is advertising. If they shun the EU, EU companies just aren't allowed to buy ads without getting in hot water themselves.

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[-] oce@jlai.lu 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This a French scientific study showing how the Russian regime tries to influence the political debate in France with Twitter accounts, especially before the last parliamentary elections. The goal is to promote a party that is more favorable to them, namely, the far right. https://hal.science/hal-04629585v1/file/Chavalarias_23h50_Putin_s_Clock.pdf

In France, we have a concept called the "Republican front" that is kind of tacit agreement between almost all parties, left, center and right, to work together to prevent far-right from reaching power and threaten the values of the French Republic. This front has been weakening at every election, with the far right rising and lately some of the traditional right joining them. But it still worked out at the last one, far right was given first by the polls, but thanks to the front, they eventually ended up 3rd.

What this article says, is that the Russian regime has been working for years to invert this front and push most parties to consider that it is part of the left that is against the Republic values, more than the far right.
One of their most cynical tactic is using videos from the Gaza war to traumatize leftists until they say something that may sound antisemitic. Then they repost those words and push the agenda that the left is antisemitic and therefore against the Republican values.

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[-] audiomodder 27 points 4 months ago

I mean, yea. Of course it has become a haven for disinformation. That’s why he bought it.

[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

Is 6% of global revenue enough? Or is that just a foot note in the books on the cost of doing business?

[-] Donut@leminal.space 51 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's 6% of revenue, not profit. So it cuts even more into profits as it doesn't allow a company in breach of regulations to reduce the impact of the fine by adding expenses that will temporarily lower their profit.

Even more spicy, they can also impose periodic penalties up to 5% of the average daily worldwide turnover for each day of delay in complying. That shit can bankrupt you.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

6% of profit would mean that EU owes twitter money.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Or Musk could pull Twitter out of the EU.

That would be so wonderful. The EU economy would probably take off just from the saved time/brainpower, lol.

[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Thank you for showing me the teeth behind this ruling. If non-compliance carries harsher consequences, it may be enough

[-] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

That could realistically be around 1/3 yearly profit in a reasonable company (18% operating margin is common). No idea whether Twitter is currently profitable (it wasn't when he bought it).

[-] Donut@leminal.space 17 points 4 months ago

An example could be AliExpress, with a 130B in revenue and 11B in profit (2023), it would reduce their profit to 3.2B with the 6% fine. That's a whopping 70% less profits, and cutting expenses isn't gonna fix it either.

[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Question still stands, is it enough?

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

yeah it seems big enough that it might be cheaper to hire moderators

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[-] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 months ago

They need to first move out their official's accounts out of twitter If they really want to lead by example, there is Threads and mastodon and what not!

Seeing how Facebook and Instagram have been shutting down posts about Israeli atrocities in Gaza. and deleting Palestinian Journalists accounts, Such moves to try and police what is fake news and what isn't by governments according to their own interests and biases is an attack on free speech and freedom of the press.

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[-] blazera@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Disinformation is words

It spreads on twitter, it spreads on facebook, on tiktok, on youtube, on discord, text messages, books, speeches, talking to coworkers. This is like the war on drugs except even easier to circumvent any bans. Youre not gonna beat disinformation by trying to block it.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

When the vast majority spreads on several platforms, you can very much beat it by blocking it. We're not doing it not because we can't but because letting it spread is profitable. Prior to the invention of modern social media the problem of misinformation was much smaller. Yes of course it will never disappear but we don't need it to disappear.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

They’ve done research about deplatforming, and it’s actually really effective in reducing content - most of the followers aren’t motivated enough to jump to a different website to follow their conspiracy content.

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[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

You're also not going to beat it by not trying to deal with it. The transition from twitter being an unreliable source to becoming an unbridled dumpster fire of disinformation and hate campaigns has a direct correlation with Musk taking specific steps to cater to those audiences while ripping out any facilities to filter it.

It's not all or nothing, like basically everything else in life, it requires balance. Just like you don't have to "beat" drugs to help drug users find a better path, you don't have to "beat" disinformation in order to help stop it from spreading. You can take steps when/where they make sense to limit the damage and give people a chance to pull their head out of the cesspool to get enough air that society can function in a manner in tune with reality to some degree.

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[-] eltrain123@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

No, but he is finding out why twitter had all of its policies on combatting misinformation before he took over and gutted the staff… to prevent getting sued. You can say anything you want in America and the government can’t tell you that you aren’t allowed to say it, but you are still accountable for the damages caused by what you say… just ask Alex Jones.

But operating in other countries doesn’t afford the same protections from government scrutiny.

Disinformation campaigns are part of the reason social media is causing as much social strife in the world. It is not outside a logical line of thought that governments are going to attempt to minimize the damages from platforms like Twitter when they can. You may not beat misinformation, but you can minimize the financial incentive to promote it if you fine the fuck out of it when you find it.

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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

The European Commission oversees X and two dozens of the world's largest online platforms

Sometimes it's fun to be a grammar Nazi.

Knowing that omitting the word "other" implies that the hangout of REAL Nazis is at most the 25th largest online platform is one of those times 😁

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