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[-] audiomodder 95 points 4 months ago

You want the actual answer? Because the Democratic Party has spent the last decade torpedoing non-establishment candidates. They killed off other candidates even running in this primary, and shut down several primaries entirely. Why would we waste our time?

And let’s be honest, let’s say that now the DNC appoints a new candidate, like they legally can do, it’s not going to be an AOC or someone even slightly to the left like Warren. It’s going to be another neoliberal like Buttigeig who will continue to Biden’s legacy of absolute mediocrity and screwing over the American people in the name of “freedom”.

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 months ago

This is 100% correct.

Small thing to add - we’re also in the midst of a devastating heat wave across most of the US at this moment. Taking to the streets isn’t exactly an accessible option right now, but anyone who has been remotely engaged in online discourse should be well aware of voters’ discontent with Biden and the status quo. They certainly won’t be discussing it on MSNBC however.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Your comment illustrates how our broken news system is the reason why four months is an insufficient runway for candidate policy clarity.

How do you consider Buttigieg a neoliberal? He wants to remove financial lobbying and stock trading permissions from Congress, create a nine Justice SCOTUS with three Democrat nominated Justices, three Republican, and three voted in by the previous six, his campaign raised $80M from small donations, and he endorsed the Green New Deal.

Just because he’s not as progressive as AOC or Bernie, doesn’t mean he’s not a big step in the right direction.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 months ago

Thinking back to 2019 iircc the only Democrat candidate of the ±15 that was more conservative than Biden/Harris was Bloomberg. -I guess you could also argue Gabbard but she opted to go a different direction altogether. Regardless, a lot of Democrat voters seem to be projecting their values onto Biden without evaluating him as he is and always has been. He's never been particularly progressive.

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[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They didn't call him Wall Street Pete and Wine Cave Pete for nothing...

https://x.com/niktaylorde/status/1145703743842922499

[-] Windex007@lemmy.world 64 points 4 months ago

I mean, they packed university campuses across the country and then the riot police went in. What kind of goldfish memory is this?

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

They're asking why democrats aren't in the streets though. Democrats were largely against those campus protests since they were perceived as harmful to Biden's reelection chances.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

~~Democrats~~ Biden supporters were largely against those campus protests since they were perceived as harmful to Biden’s reelection chances.

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[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 57 points 4 months ago

Because there aren't any other viable candidates.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 60 points 4 months ago

I agree with you, and that's how you know it's just disinformation and dishonesty. Nobody ever has a serious name to replace Biden. You press them for the replacement candidate, and you'll get a ridiculous answer because they don't actually have a plan. They just want to knock Biden down.

Harris is already on the ticket. If she's the reason to vote, good news! Biden can step aside after he beats Trump and hand Harris the big chair. She can then run in 4 years as an incumbent (assuming she does a good job.) If she's not the dream candidate, then why aren't we talking about replacing her on the ticket? You want Whitmer or Newsom or Buttigieg, then put them on as the VP and let them run behind Biden.

You don't get away from Biden's baggage by having him step aaide. His record, his endorsements, his policies, those all come with the package. The only thing you shed is his age. If that's the only reason you're concerned about Biden, then it's not a serious concern.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

Nobody ever has a serious name to replace Biden.

Oh, they've moved on to indignation now and pretending they didn't spend the last few weeks disappearing after being asked for a name. But they still very rarely actually give one.

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[-] ramirezmike@programming.dev 24 points 4 months ago

how is Biden the only person that can beat Trump? What left-leaning person would go "hmm, it's not Biden so I guess I'm voting Trump"?

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

It's not that Biden is the only person who can beat Trump. Biden is the only person RUNNING who can beat Trump. There are plenty of people who could beat Trump, but until one of them says they want the job this entire thing is a nonstarter.

[-] ramirezmike@programming.dev 7 points 4 months ago

the DNC kinda prevents legitimate alternatives from succeeding though. It doesn't have to be this way but the party keeps it like this, maintaining the incumbent as the only choice.

People want more options and they would be available if it was remotely possible to overcome the DNC's favoritism to Biden.

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[-] match@pawb.social 11 points 4 months ago

Exactly. Does anyone think Biden is making it another 4 years? We've voting for president Harris one way or the other

[-] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 8 points 4 months ago

You don't get away from Biden's baggage by having him step aaide. His record, his endorsements, his policies, those all come with the package.

That's a good point. The entire Democratic Party has failed the working class (because they were never on our side to begin with). Whose name is on the line on the ballot next to the D is irrelevant; we've already lost.

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[-] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

Theres a whole country of people, how hard is it to find one qualified candidate?!

[-] MNByChoice@midwest.social 16 points 4 months ago

Apparently, rather hard.

I doubt it is the qualification for the actual job that is the issue. Being willing to put one's family through that shit it tough.

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[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 16 points 4 months ago

There's also a very consistent and common shortlist that these people just pretend doesn't exist because the narrative line they're now following demands they pretend it doesn't.

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[-] CyberDine@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

The oligarchy does not want an effective Democratic candidate

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

So, so many of us are going to vote for whoever the D is, no matter what. And Biden shit the bed, costing him those dumbass undecideds in the few states that will determine our collective future.

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[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Because that's not a thing and never has been? Find me any large scale protests in the history of the US where they were protesting a candidate prior to an election.

There's not a single liberal or leftist (a few paid shill podcasters notwithstanding) in the whole country saying "Joe Biden's brain is so soupy that Donald Trump would make a better president." We're saying Democrat leadership suppressed the primary to anoint an incumbent who's going to lose. Democracy is on the line, and we're running out of time to put our best foot forward. It'd be one thing if we were getting honest and reasonable arguments in response, but instead we're getting gaslit (Only the elites want Biden to step aside?) and being told "get in line or you're helping Trump somehow. " Meanwhile, Republicans are preparing to sue to keep Biden on the ballot in the event of a switch, because they know who they want to run against.

I hope I'm wrong and I hope he wins, since we're probably stuck with him on the ticket. Given that he's down 12 points from where he was in 2020 against Trump, where the swing states that gave Biden the election were only fractions of a percent in his favor, it's gonna take some kind of miracle. We don't have to be in this seemingly hopeless situation, but Biden's ego and stubbornness seem like they're gonna keep us here.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

Historically protests are at the convention when the unpopular candidate is named.

Then the people who named the unpopular candidate blame the protests for the loss

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[-] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Honestly. The number of people just on this platform saying "nobody thinks biden should drop, you're wrong, you have no right to be upset with Biden's team, and anyone who says otherwise is a bot" is seriously making me wonder if that narrative itself is the one being pushed by bots to sow discord between us. Who honestly jumps directly to "bot or stupid, no other possible explanation" when they disagree with an opinion so clearly held by a substantial number of people with nuanced opinions.

Anyone paying attention would see that Biden, having won on razor margins in 2020, on promises of being a 1-term president, could not afford to lose ANY ground in democratic turnout. Every feeler they put out is coming back showing we have lost that ground substantially and Biden is utterly unable to campaign to gain it back. Anyone can be not Trump, not everyone can run an energetic campaign on their own merits, and that is overwhelmingly what motivates people to turn out to vote.

It's not a difficult connection to make and the assumption that bots would be the only ones to make an argument to replace Biden, after they ran a "primary" in which they hid Biden away from us and didn't let even anyone remotely viable run, is just such an uninformed and arrogant viewpoint to witness in such droves that I hardly believe it's real.

[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They don't have or need good arguments, they just need to run out the clock until "It's too late to change" becomes a legitimate argument.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I agree with this message, but the 1968 Democratic National Convention protests were in part due to the nomination of Hubert Humphrey.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 46 points 4 months ago

The last time we filled the streets we wanted police reform and didn't get it.

The time before that it was to protest a war that happened anyway.

[-] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 37 points 4 months ago

Not only did we not get police reform, we got a cop as a democratic vice president.

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago

Yes, top cop Kamala. And now they’re threatening to roll with her if Biden has to step down. We’re doomed.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

Because, as the sitting President, the only person who can make that decision is Biden. It literally does not matter what anyone else says or does.

[-] retrospectology@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

And Biden has shown complete contempt for public sentiment, not just on this topic but throughout his term.

[-] AuroraZzz@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago

Because most of the people elevating this narrative are right wing trolls and Russian trolls. Trump and Putin thrive on chaos and doubt. We are weaker as a country when we are fragmented and don't stand firmly against a common evil

[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 21 points 4 months ago

Because it is largely disinformation and people are being paid to write articles on it or claim such behind closed doors but not publicly

[-] MSids@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

I got work. Like 6 hours of meetings a day. With what energy would I use to 'go to the streets' to ask an old fuck who definitely can't hear me to please retire. I don't think he will hear me or care.

I'll still vote for him I guess. Better Biden than the career criminal maniac.

[-] Wiz@midwest.social 8 points 4 months ago

*Career criminal maniac child rapist.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Because it’s hot outside.

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

Wait a minute that seems like evidence the large majority of Democrats don't feel he 'must step aside!' No, that can't be it...maybe they're just stupid?

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[-] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Because it's 2024 and people on the fuckin streets are staring at their phones reading all the rage flooding their feeds.

[-] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago

Because those demanding it are few and wealthy and the media is carrying their water?

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 4 months ago
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[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 8 points 4 months ago

Because we don't want to get shot again by the cops the Democrats pretended to defend before saying they were needed to enforce order.

Plus working to death to afford to run air conditioning to not die in the apocalyptic climate change heat waves.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

It's a right wing battle cry to inspire division

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 7 points 4 months ago

um because folks like me are fine with him as the rep and I don't see any replacement as being any more viable.

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Nah. It's all good 👍. Just find a young candidate next time. Like 30 years old please. If it's another 70 year old white guy, I'm gonna be royally pissed for sure.

Right now I'm just annoyed so I'm not leaving my job just to get shot by the police as they are trained to do.

[-] Xtallll 7 points 4 months ago

Minimum age to be president is 35, it would take an amendment to change that, and if we are going to burn the resources to get an amendment passed that's way down the list of things we need to fix.

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[-] AshMan85@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Only disinformation campaigns, brought to us by Republicans and Russia are calling for it

[-] Steve@startrek.website 6 points 4 months ago

Afraid it might backfire

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