As a huge Anime fan, with some catching up to do, I've blocked every anime adjacent community, because NSFW filtering isn't applied as strictly as I would prefer, on the Anime communities here.

I enjoy a good sexually charged image as much as the next person, perhaps more.

But I scroll Lemmy in front of my impressionable daughter sometimes.

I would like to catch up on Anime recommendations, here.

But, to me, it's just not worth the risk of suddenly needing to explain to my daughter why Faye Valentine's parents didn't love her enough to buy her full sets of clothing.

Op, if my HR dept saw me scroll by that pic... It would be an annoying conversation. Like while I'll agree, there's no nudity... I would get in trouble. I've left some chatroom due to this... People just don't understand that I don't care but the folks cutting my checks will make a thing of it

As much as I like looking at pictures of anime girls I think they should be marked as NSFW if they are barely clothed.

I think if you wouldn't use it as your wallpaper at work because it is inappropriate for work, that's NSFW. So yeah at my job that would be NSFW.

I feel like the Internet needs more tags:

• Explicit (rude language, nudity, etc)
• Porn (nsfw legacy tag)
• Violence
• Not safe for life

Something like that.

I am of the opinion that there should be more granularity to NSFW than a simple binary.

I'm a fan of how e621 does things:

rating:s (safe)

rating:q (questionable)

rating:e (explicit,)

But I would add another:

rating:t (traumatic, known elsewhere as Not Safe For Life)

Call it "purity" and allow users to filter posts to allow or block any arbitrary combination of purity levels (wallhalla, formerly wallbase, does this if you want to see how it could work).

I just want posts or communities to have category tags for me to block by tag. So I can block all anime and every non-English community.

I have nothing against them. They’re just not of interest to me and I don’t want them on my feed. Blocking a community is mostly useless because there are so many of them it’s like playing whack a mole.

I 100% would not want an image like that to pop up in front of a coworker. I'm on board with you, OP.

Yes.

The tag is Not Safe For Work. I'd say that if you were to look at this in most work places you'd probably be speaking to HR within the hour...

Yes. 100%

I wish there was strictly an amine tag so I could filter all that shit out like you can with nsfw. Blocked countless weirdass communities that randomly popup.

If the NSFW limit was put on "image of a woman wearing shorts and sports bra", would you run to shut down the break room TV when they showed such obscene NSFW things like the Olympic games with their skimpy track and field and beach volleyball outfits? All of those communities would obviously need to be marked NSFW on Lemmy too.

And while NSFW indeed does come from the words "Not safe for work", it isn't "blur everything that wouldn't be appropriate for my coworkers or boss to see me browse during work time".
Getting caught watching episodes of My Little Pony would be pretty inappropriate and embarrassing during working hours as well.

Why do these anime girls always look like they're in their teens? Extremely creepy.

Yes, they should be. For the same exact reason anything that is taboo but socially acceptable but definitely unprofessional should be. Real boobs, cartoon boobs, it doesn't bother me at all but it makes me very much less likely to browse lemmy in a public setting. Setting morals completely aside, if you want this platform to thrive, you'll have to be compassionate to the consumers of it, the user base. The community can definitely make this thing not usable if they want to. It's about being practical.

That would be perfectly acceptable where I live and work. No nudity, no tits, no genitals, move along...

On the other hand, anime in general is relegated to teens more than not here, so any anime would raise eyebrows if seems browsing from my phone by others given I am definitely not a teen by large.

YMMV, but different cultures different sensibility.

Should Lemmy be a MCM or a MCD? I think this should be the question.

Where the NSFW line is drawn varies depending on the moderator and community. If there are communities that are either not moderated actively enough or draw that line too far to one side for your taste, then don't subscribe or block those communities. Those tools exist there for a reason.

I would not consider the post you have linked to as NSFW. I also think that the NSFW tag has evolved over time, so perhaps my definition of NSFW just doesn't line up with what today's standard should be. There are plenty of anime characters in very popular shows that have a character design similar to that. There are big billboards of them some places to promote the show. Just because it might be NSFW in your work environment/region, does not mean it is everywhere.

If you're browsing Lemmy, on your phone, in work then really you should be curating your feed a bit better.

No

Yes, you could get in trouble at work for viewing it just like you said a picture of a real woman would be

No. That's just a fully clothed character. Any workplace where that would be considered "NSFW" is the kind of place where getting caught browsing Lemmy at all is NSFW.

Half naked? Shes literally wearing a top and bottoms. Yall need to relax

NSFW has become code for porn, effectively. My friend and I use NSFO for 'not porn, maybe not even nudity, but not necessarily appropriate for the office'. Maybe that's what we need. A second filter.

Yes. Problem is that NSFW has lost its original meaning to a lot of people. NSFW was originally to hide things that might be controversial to be visible on your screen in a workplace, so it should be fairly conservative. Beachwear would 100% not be safe to look at in a work environment.

But now a lot of places are using it to determine what is safe to look at not in front of your boss, but in front of your kids or in public. That is a much different thing. NSFW flags should not be used to restrict kids from seeing it, just your boss. There needs to be a separate flag for hiding things from kids. And because social norms are different in different societies, there should be even more granularity in the flags. Nudity is just one thing that is NSFW.

NSFW should be reserved for blocking things that I don't want to suddenly appear on my screen when I'm browsing the Internet on my break at work when I'm allowed to browse the Internet, but it wouldn't be good for a naked picture to show up on my screen suddenly.

When browsing in All or similar, there's a non-zero chance of coming across things that can be offensive, explicit, or disgusting. You shouldn't encounter anything pornographic or where people die or get horribly injured, but that is my only expectation.

I browse in thumbnail view for that reason. It's enough to see if I want to see a full image, if it's not something I want to see, I didn't get hit full blast by it, and if it's something I don't want people around to see at that moment, it's much harder for them to see it and faster to scroll past.

When you select a sort that pulls from every community, it's you asking to see everything. Death, injury, and private parts are about the only things the bulk of society can agree are at least somewhat offensive, so those are the only things you should expect to see blocked by a NSFW filter. Lewd, gross, and offensive are still free to pass, for better or worse. That's the Internet culture has existed for most of its existence and feels pretty universal in my experience.

Having looked at your referenced image. No. She is appropriately clothed for summer.

In certain states in the US, a woman can choose to be topless anywhere a man can be. This woman is not topless.

Also maybe not visit Lemmy or any social media at work.

As far as on the bus? I guarantee that there's a woman on the bus in similar atire off it's summer.

As maybe the main culprit behind such content, I can comment.

I'd love to err on the side of caution. Unfortunately that isn't how the NSFW toggle is used, and erring on the side of caution any more than necessary comes with drawbacks in terms of post visibility and community growth.

Posts like the one you linked perform orders of magnitude better when not marked NSFW, which means they reach more people who want to see them when un-tagged, than didn't want to see them.

And tagging them, in fact achieves the opposite.

This is because people scroll past content marked NSFW regardless of what it is. Because they can't see what it is. Except when they are looking for porn.

So while I didn't stop using the NSFW tag, I pushed the needle a bit and stopped marking everything even slightly revealing as NSFW "just in case" because it was literally hiding it from the people who wanted to see it, and leaving just the porn enthusiasts to check the actual images, who'd then down-vote it because it wasn't actually porn.

I am myself completely uninterested in actual pornographic content on Lemmy, yet as someone who doesn't mind it, I actually do not hide NSFW content, and even disable blurring it by default.

Because the binary tagging of NSFW is utterly useless as a tool for curating away content I do not want to see, as a SHIT-TON of content I DO want to see would go with it.

Instead I use the list view in Thunder with its small thumbnails, making the occasional porn very difficult to spot over my shoulder, but allowing me to much more properly vet what posts I open and view in full size.

I am fairly certain that a lot of the people who engage with my many "moe" communities, are, like me, quite uninterested in actual explicit content. As such they do not engage with posts marked NSFW, or perhaps even disable it entirely on their accounts.

The NSFW toggle isn't enough, and its purpose and exact threshold varies wildly depending on your sensibilities.

This content isn't porn, yet if I run my communities as if it is, they don't get traction.

If I run my communities like they're for porn, they'll mostly be frequented by people who post and look for exactly that. But they won't fit in because I don't allow nudity, and the stuff I do allow isn't the kind anyone settles down to actually get off to, despite some of it being arousing. So, my communities don't belong on that side of the fediverse, but at the same time they don't entirely belong on the SFW side of a lot of people's feeds either.

Yet, to reach the people like myself, but who unlike me don't make the insane effort of checking every NSFW post to see if it's not porn, that's where they have to exist.

This whole problem would be solved by adding more tags as per this proposal: https://github.com/LemmyNet/rfcs/pull/4 and enabling more filtering.

but @dessalines@lemmy.ml and @nutomic@lemmy.ml didn't look at it for months and I don't know what is their stance on it. The dev that wanted to implement it doesn't want to spend energy to push forward for a green light.

Yes

Yes. All academic points aside, it's not socially-acceptable to view stuff like this in public.

No 100%

There is no NSFW about that picture IMO

I can't see why any reasonable workplace wouldn't even allow one to have a poster like that hanging there

This is a weird thread... Lots of people really give a shit about what others think about the content they consume. There's also a lot of strange presumptions about people who watch anime and how it's creepy when adults watch it. If you were just described above, maybe you should reevaluate some things.

If you would get in trouble for this image on your phone at work, then you really should not be on Lemmy at work. I'm sure there are perfectly acceptable threads for your workspace on Lemmy, but then again, people used to read the articles in playboy magazine. Also, the example image is only sexual if you sexualize it, which you are doing by saying it should be marked nsfw. If the local news stations are comfortable showing gymnasts and swimmers and volleyball players in their respective uniforms, then why should this be any different? Lastly, if that drawing is making you uncomfortable, I don't know how to help you because this is so so so incredibly far from the worst content you can find on this site. Maybe you shouldn't be on here at all if that's the case.

It's only weird if you make it weird and this whole thread is making it weird.

No. Worrying about this is like making dogs and cats wear pants.

No