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[-] Kalkaline@leminal.space 125 points 4 months ago

Biden already has those codes. If I look at where we started with Trump and where we ended up, and then where Biden picked up and where we ended up, my choice clearly becomes Biden. Trump went from "grab em by the pussy" to Covid to breaking a bunch of laws to an insurrection. Biden cleaned up Trump's mess and avoided a complete imminent global financial collapse. All things considered, I'd rather see Biden over Trump and it's too late to try to swap out Biden.

[-] null@slrpnk.net 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

But have you considered that he didn't change military policy on Isreal?

That should be the one and only issue you base your vote on, according to a scary amount of people around here.

Edit: See? Here they are, saying Trump and Biden are the same. It's kinda wild to watch.

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Different people have different priorities. I live in eastern EU. The idea of the US dropping all support for Ukraine is pretty damn scary to me. I obviously can't vote in the US election, but I will happily support Biden from across the pond due to that one issue.

To a Palestinian? Yeah, I understand they don't really care about anything outside the direct issues affecting their people so they'd be anti-Biden.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

I get why they don't like Biden. But Trump has openly said that Israel should escalate the attacks and finish off the Palestinians.

Biden is ignoring genocide. Trump is actively encouraging it.

[-] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago

I live in Norway and feel the same way. However I will point out that trump is pro Israel and doesn't like Muslims. He even wanted to move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

He did move the embassy to Jerusalem. It probably helped escalate the tensions that led to the attack and then war.

It makes me skeptical that much of the anti-Biden rhetoric around Israel/Palestine is either IDF/Russian/Iranian trolls or just terminally online edgelords who haven’t got a clue about the realities of a US election. Namely that letting Biden lose will be much worse for everyone, Palestinians especially.

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[-] duderium2@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

If Biden is okay with murdering Palestinians, what makes you think he’d care about murdering you?

[-] FatCrab@lemmy.one 24 points 4 months ago

Look, even if you single issue on Palestine, which is 100% reasonable, the fact of the matter is that life expectancy and quality for Palestinians absolutely goes down significantly further under Trump. He has effectively said as much. Ot is baffling to me how there are people so myopic and stupid as to not see this. If you actually give a shit about even a single Palestinian, Trump is quite clearly an even worse nightmare scenario than they currently experience.

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[-] null@slrpnk.net 14 points 4 months ago

You're right, better to advocate for him to lose to Trump. He'll treat me way better.

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[-] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago

You gotta stop huffing paint, bruh!

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[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Did we ever get that comprehensive justice system reform after the George floydd protests?

If not... maybe the protests didn't go far enough? Go further.

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[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 64 points 4 months ago

Can we all agree that since we have an age-minimum of 35, then we should have an age-maximum tied to, say, retirement age?

The argument is simple: nobody is in their prime past retirement age. Nobody. And this by default suggests we guaranteed have better options to run the presidency than some geriatric seniors.

[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Retirement age?? They're already making retirement infeasible.

Perhaps to cut off just this type of talk /s

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

True... I shouldn't give them more cause to raise or eliminate it. How's 65 as a hard cap?

[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Perfect. They'll be 69 when their term ends and then they can go do something else.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago
[-] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

But then, how do have the oldest, whitest person in charge?

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[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I see you have decided to criticize the democrats. I also see you have failed to post the required 100,000 word essay on how the Republicans are worse then the democrats.

That makes you a secret Russian Republican antisemetic nazi communist. Sorry... them the rules.

[-] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 63 points 4 months ago

IDC how old they, I care how competent they are.

Theres plenty of incompetent middle aged and young people as well, letstry not to elect any of them, k?

[-] MyOneEyedWilly@real.lemmy.fan 18 points 4 months ago

Exactly this, I’d rather someone near me drive their car at 65mph, than drive next to someone who’s a cocaine addict going over 85mph on the freeway.

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

I think you're on to something. We can probably solve most of the problems Biden has in the public discourse by giving him some cocaine.

[-] sleen@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 months ago

Correct, it's about competency. Age is not indicative of one's competency, just a mere suggestion - no matter if the person is young or old.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 39 points 4 months ago

Well the good news is that if Biden wins all the names being tossed around for 28 are in their 40s or 50s at the oldest.

I'm crossing my fingers for Whitmer personally.

Bad news is that if Trump wins, they'll all probably be in prison by then.

Vote.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If you really believe the Republicans getting control of the nation state is a existential threat, you would want to use every tool possible to prevent that right?

What if we changed how we vote so maintaining democracy doesn't fall solely into the democrats lap? So the democrats have backup on the debate stage! So there are more people to call trump out on his bullshit. So we have more chances to stop the Republicans. Wouldn't you want more chances? Don't you want to do everything we can to stop the worst from occurring?

Consider working towards passing electoral reform in your state. Maine and Alaska were able to do it... why not yours?

Especially in a blue state. What is stopping blue states from passing electoral reform? Cause it ain't the Republicans...

[-] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 9 points 4 months ago

Michigan, for one, has made several reforms to electoral law via ballot measures and laws

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[-] duderium2@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What also sucks is that every other democrat running for president in 2028 is just a younger version of biden, complete with the same imperialist and segregationist politics.

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[-] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 33 points 4 months ago

Friendly reminder that only one of them is unstable enough to use them.

[-] Freefall@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

Don't care. I am voting against Project 2025 and for the guy that has an effective and good group around him...not the useful idiot that has to get a new group of people given to him by his handers because the last group is all in prison...

[-] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

The same group that put him on the debate stage? The same group that allowed him to come off fully arrogant and out of touch in the latest interview? The same group that has essentially thrown one of the most important elections in the span of a week? Fuckin hell, there's a case to be made of elderly abuse against this 'good group'.

I'm gonna vote republican-light (D), but this head in the sand bullshit is an additional turn off. You should care.

I get it, the stakes are high and fascism looms, but shilling for the oligarchy is just barf. I'm surprised y'all haven't started wearing blue hats 'keep america great' or some stupid shit yet.

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[-] Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run 25 points 4 months ago

Is this more 'both sides the same' crappola? Sure sounds like that.

[-] cbarrick@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

The sides are definitely not the same. One side is a fascist, a rapist, and a felon; the other side has trouble being coherent after 6pm.

They're not the same, and I know who I'm voting for (not the fascist). But damn do I wish we had some better choices.

[-] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

I don't think this is. It's not wrong if it's true. In this case it's very true.

Now if you said both Biden and Trump committed the same amount of crimes. That would be doing the both sides thing.

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[-] tabularasa@lemmy.ca 19 points 4 months ago
[-] myusernameis@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 months ago

#FuckThePalePaleoPatriarchy

[-] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 months ago

Biden is losing in the polls to trump. If he continues to run we will have Trump again. I'm scared shirtless. I wish the democratic party would quit gambling with our democracy and take the fascist threat seriously.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

They are taking the threat seriously. The problem is who they consider the threat. Democrats don't see fascists as a threat to them, and do see progressives as a threat.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Which is exactly how Hitler came to power too, the middle chose right because they were more scared of left.

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[-] Freefall@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Oh no! Not the highly accurate and never wrong polls!!!

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[-] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

Everybody is tired of these dinosaurs. I don't know anybody conservative or liberal who's thrilled about either candidate.

As far as this election goes, my thought process goes like this.

Biden: Oh my God, NO! He's terrible!

Trump: Oh my God, NO! He's terrible! x100

Therefore I'll be voting for Biden.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Doing away with First Past The Post voting in favor of a more representative electoral system (such as but not limited to Ranked Choice voting) will Introduce competition into the electoral process.

This will increase the quality of candidates across the political spectrum. Yes, this would even help the Republicans pick less insane candidates.

Source

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[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Volunteer at an old folks’ home. Most old men just want to eat jello and play cards. They’re very sweet! Not power hungry lunatics like these two.

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[-] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago

You can be "sick of old men" all you like OP, but are you "sick of democracy, eager to embrace dictatorship?"

[-] duderium2@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I am sick of genocidal lunatics (both of them) and their enablers (you).

[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

My brother in Christ, I am Canadian.

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