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[-] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 73 points 2 months ago

Weird, because the push to replace Biden seems awfully like conservative propaganda to discourage people from voting.

[-] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

If you’re paying attention to polling, no. He hasn’t really been winning the polls this entire time and the debate was his last hope of turning it around. I’m not saying there’s no chance, but they’re cutting it way too close on what should be an easy election. Should’ve replaced him at the beginning of the year, better late than never

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

It's really not though. It's just a nightmare. And of course in the modern system where you fight a campaign at every level before, during, and after the voting, the GOP would try to make this hard.

[-] prole 9 points 2 months ago

Fascism is internally inconsistent by definition. It's all just to cause discord and confusion.

[-] knightly@pawb.social 7 points 2 months ago
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."

-Jean-Paul Sartre

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

TIL 32% of Democrats are pushing conservative propaganda to discourage people from voting Democrat.

The "everyone who disagrees with me is a bad actor" conspiracy theories keep getting less and less plausible.

[-] feddylemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

"The two-day poll found that both Trump, 78, and Biden, 81, maintain the support of 40% of registered voters, suggesting that Biden has not lost ground since the debate."

From the survey you linked.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

And? Does that contradict what I said in some way?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

conservative propaganda to discourage people from voting

Things centrists say about anything to their left and only their left.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 months ago

Til democratic governors, and congress people are now conservative propaganda

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Does seem to be a lot of super rich people calling to replace the guy who wants higher taxes on the wealthy.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

There are multiple groups. Their only goal is to sew chaos.

[-] ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world 64 points 2 months ago

Shit, so do democrats apparently.

[-] JesseoftheNorth@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago

Democrats are right wingers

[-] hypnoton@discuss.online 16 points 2 months ago

Democrats: "We promise to build one concentration camp less than the Republicans!"

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Yeah that's right: BoooOOOoTh SiDeS

[-] knightly@pawb.social 4 points 2 months ago

This, but unironically.

America is a country that carefully maintains the appearance of democracy with none of the substance.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

See people who can only speak in extremes lose me instantly. When you say "none of the substance", you remove the chance of a productive conversation because of course there is some level of democracy

[-] knightly@pawb.social 4 points 2 months ago

If by "some level of Democracy" you mean that the only people whose opinions have a statistically significant impact on policy are the wealthy and a select few corporate lobbying orgs, then I don't disagree.

Science proved that America isn't a democracy over a decade ago: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/princeton-scholar-demise-of-democracy-america-tpm-interview

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

We have never been a pure democracy so this is just as stupid and pointless as I said. You're arguing with an imaginary point of view.

[-] knightly@pawb.social 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"We've never been a pure democracy" sure sounds like "No True Scottsman" to me. More like oligopoly, than any kind of democracy, really.

But hey, don't listen to me. I didn't moderate my rhetoric to your preferred tone while casting aspersions at the Holy Democracy of America. XD

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

sure sounds like "No True Scottsman"

You should learn what that means before you use it

moderate my rhetoric to your preferred tone

That's what we call just telling the truth now? Cool

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No True Scotsman, for posterity.

The modification is signalled by the use of non-substantive rhetoric such as "true", "pure", "genuine", "authentic", "real", etc.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I think you responded to the wrong person

[-] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 2 months ago
[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Tagged accordingly

[-] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Truth x Facts

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

This should give pause to the dumbfucks who can’t acknowledge that Biden is in the shitter.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

Should. Won't. They're in their element here: making up excuses for not changing anything.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

And you're in yours: discouraging votes so that Trump wins.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago
[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

If I cared that you would use that flimsy bullshit story I wouldn't have called you on your incessant anti-Biden obsession

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Was that a coherent thought before you typed it?

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Nah because if you acknowledge what I said, maybe you'd have to address the thousands of messages you've written with the obvious goal of re-electing Trump. Easier to just pretend any opponent has a mental deficiency or something

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Nah because if you acknowledge what I said, maybe you’d have to address the thousands of messages you’ve written with the obvious goal of re-electing Trump.

Criticism of Biden isn't campaigning for Trump, no matter how many times you pretend it is. If Biden doesn't step down, he will lose. And you will blame everyone who tried to warn you.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

If he does step down, the only thing we could be sure of is that there is a new risk introduced. The certainty you have about this is also suspicious on top of the months of anti Biden messaging I've seen from you

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

You think everything to your left is suspicious.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That is the cop-out you usually go with. Irrespective of its falseness

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I've seen you make the same wild accusation plenty of times to other users.

Don't love Biden? Don't love genocide? Only possible explanation is that you're a Trumpist! Now you're the enemy and I get to treat you like shit!

Which by no coincidence whatsoever is how you want to treat those to your left and only your left.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

You probably couldn't be honest if you tried

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I've never seen you treat anyone to Netanyahu's left with respect.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Have that guy tagged as "fascist troll" for a reason.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Yep I have a similar tag myself. It's how I track people that spread bad ideas.

[-] makeasnek@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

Is nobody going to point out that the DNC already had a primary? And that by replacing the candidate last minute, against the will of their voters, the DNC would be acting incredibly undemocratically? Do you want your core voting block to start voting in republican primaries instead? Because throwing out their primary vote is how you get that to happen.

The DNC had a primary, there were multiple candidates, Biden lost the primary in American Samoa. I voted for Biden, he won, if the party elite swap him out last minute regardless of what their primary said, why would anybody care to vote in their primaries?

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

People on Lemmy have convinced themselves that millions of people did not vote in the primary somehow.

[-] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

The chances of the DNC telling Biden to take a hike are exactly zero, and no one should take that possibility seriously (because it's stupid).

What may yet happen is Biden deciding to step aside voluntarily, in which case the fact that he won the primary is meaningless; the party can't nominate a candidate who refuses to accept that nomination.

[-] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

At this point the only thing that'll matter is who is his VP.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago
[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

We're fractured now. No matter who they put up there. Gear up for God King Trump.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

You mean to tell me that centrist Democrats won't vote blue no matter who?

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