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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 144 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I’ve literally had this argument on lemmy multiple times. It always goes like this:

Me: [some comment to the effect of “the planet is dying”]

Them: the planet will be fine. Yes all life will perish, but the earth itself will continue.

Me: . . .

Them: What. It’s just the fact. Don’t worry about the planet.

Sometimes they quote Carlin without realizing it and without context so to them it’s not a joke about how fucked up we are, it’s a simple truth without any additional layers. It's a little boggling.

[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 95 points 4 months ago

It's pedantry for the sake of being right. They care more about winning than the actual argument.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago

This is why I detest the concept and celebration of “technically correct”. No, it’s not the “best kind of correct”, it’s being an asshole.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

I mean, in the example you're responding to, many of the people aren't doing the "technically correct" answer of, "microbial life will continue".

They're just morons who heard, "life finds a way" and assume humans will be fine.

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[-] Skasi@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

Yes all life will perish, but the earth itself will continue.

Why would all life perish? From what I've heard and read about nuclear disaster exclusion zones, humans disappearing tends to make space for other forms of life that had previously been displaced by cities full of humans and such. To my understanding long time life probably won't care about anything for the next few million years.

Short term many or most humans might die or suffer. I don't think it's easy to predict how fragile humankind is, civilization may crumble. I doubt all of humankind will be gone in a thousand years, though I wouldn't bet against a semi "post apocalyptic" future.

[-] Gormadt 29 points 4 months ago

Basically it's due to the heat, acidification of the ocean, and the massive drop in oxygen production as the ocean acidifies.

Most of the oxygen we breathe is produced by microorganisms in the ocean and as the ocean gets more acidic (from absorbing CO2 from the air) and hotter (from greenhouse effects) it makes it harder for those little fellas to survive. And when they die their impact on our breathable air goes away. And if course the stuff that's eats those organisms no longer have food and due off.

That's not even mentioning just the heating from greenhouse effects making unlivable temperature conditions (humidity + heat = unable to cool down and overheat) more likely to occur.

All life wouldn't perish per se but the current complex animals we have (and us humans) would be greatly impacted to say the least.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Because the threat is not a nuclear winter. It’s the disruption of all environmental systems that regulate the planet that is the threat in question. Which, in turn, disrupts the food chain, which starves whatever requires that food, which is for all intents and purposes, all life.

I don’t understand how this is such a conversation with so many people here.

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[-] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 11 points 4 months ago

Why would all life perish?

All life wouldn't perish, the only things that will be left will be certain bacteria, phagocytes and viruses that can tolerate and indeed will likely proliferate in extreme environments. Everything larger then that will die of starvation due to a cascade of failing systems, likely starting with the death of the marine biosphere when the temperature rises to unsustainable levels and/or the pH lowers too much for the same effect. Though of course no one really knows what will actually happen because there are too many unknown variables.

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[-] brrt@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 months ago

Ok, let the downvotes come but I’m one of those people. And the point I’m trying to make is that the planet and life itself will survive and probably even be better off without humans.

Just look at what happened after the extinction event that killed the dinosaurs. Humans are causing the next extinction event and afterwards life will just start fresh again.

So no, saving the planet is not the goal. Saving humanity and most of all other current life is. And if that’s what you want to accomplish then that’s what you should talk about, specifically.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

. . . the planet and life itself will survive . . .

How are you defining “life itself”?

. . . and probably even be better off without humans.

I’d say that goes without saying.

Humans are causing the next extinction event and afterwards life will just start fresh again.

Start “fresh”? Like with single-celled organisms? Maybe a billion years later we’ll be back eating sandwiches? Okay, so what process created sustainable environments again? Humans left some sort-of-permanent damage. Nuclear waste, PFAS, etc. Sure a good ol’ pole shift and a few asteroid impacts and we’re back in business.

So no, saving the planet is not the goal. Saving humanity and most of all other current life is. And if that’s what you want to accomplish then that’s what you should talk about, specifically.

God this is fucking exhausting. The prevention of unmitigated and prolonged suffering by all sentient life is the goal, YES. Kudos to the possibly viable future space rock and the wisdom to acknowledge our utter inability to protect one single planet from ourselves is laughably inadequate and - CLEARLY - irrelevant.

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 4 months ago

IMO, it is a distinction that is worthwhile. The universe is not anthropocentric. It doesn't give two shits about humanity (it's not, to our knowledge even sentient). Humanity is completely insignificant to nearly anything but humans. To me, it puts into perspective that noone and nothing in this indifferent universe is coming to save us from ourselves. It's up to us.

Life will continue without us, just like it did before us. If the entirety of the world's nuclear arsenals are used, there's a good chance that microbes like Deinococus radiodurans will survive to evolve into new forms of complex life. The human species is far more fragile than the planet.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

IMO, it is a distinction that is worthwhile.

What distinction, pointing out that the existing astronomical and mineralogical structures will withstand even our worst impulses? Or changing “Saving the planet” to “slowing our inevitable dissolution due to corrupt thinking and possibly saving some ducks, too”?

The distinction is already very well known - as we can see, people drive for hundreds of miles so they can hop out and tell us the actual physical structure of Earth will remain, most likely. It’s the insistence on focusing on that distinction which slows our ability to talk about the core causes for this climate disaster. And it sounds a lot like the previous 100 years of:

  • there’s plenty of nature
  • we can’t live like savages, we must pollute to make money
  • what if we add lead to it and spray it all over everything and everyone? No knocks! Profit!
  • What the heck is an ozone layer
  • oh you're a tree hugger huh
  • there’s no proof its caused by humans
  • there are always periods of heating and cooling
  • this is a Chinese hoax
  • well you drink water so you're part of the problem
  • i’ll never give up eating meat, what are you, gay?
  • It’s too expensive to not destroy the environment
  • oil prices are the key to liberty and freedom
  • the future of clean energy is a nightmare because we’ll have to enslave humanity to extract rare minerals from protected wildlife areas to build large batteries
  • it’s fine, the earth will survive. Sure we’ll die and everything we commonly consider animal life will be killed but - ya gotta go sometime
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[-] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 17 points 4 months ago

Climate change isn't going to be an existential threat for a very long time. Realistically we're making life incredibly difficult and expensive for ourselves. Population numbers will drop markedly over time. But people don't see that this is still something to take urgent action on.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

Depends on if you work outside for a living or live near a coastline or a forested area. It won’t be like a Star Trek: The Original Series where everyone’s in a big room and a red glow starts pulsating and we all groan and crumple to the floor. No, it won’t be like that.

It’ll be like heat exhaustion exacerbated a hitherto unknown heart condition that deaded you. Or a Cat 6 hurricane rolled a tree over you. Or failing crops mean you couldn’t fight off COVID-26 or whatever.

No, we’re not going to all die at once, as such. Depending on your timeframe for “at once”.

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[-] Rooskie91@discuss.online 127 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ah yes, Venus. Famously teeming with life.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 33 points 4 months ago

Hey, the planet is just fine, that was the point right?

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

I heard Venus never even had an infection of a biological nature.

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

Also, nobody is gay on Venus because Venus doesn't have rainbows.

Wait a minute, Venus sounds like the perfect place for conservatives! Elon, get your starship up and running and take all your buddies and musketeers to Venus! Please! I promise all liberals will stay here.

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

no one in venus ever had cancer

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[-] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 72 points 4 months ago

It's the second time I've seen this tweet in 24h, and I still can't believe this isn't meant to be ironic.

I'm almost impressed by how dumb this guy is.

[-] Sphks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 4 months ago
[-] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 months ago

I had to double-check to make sure; but no, it isn't.

https://xcancel.com/JunkScience

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

I thought he was making a joke, I actually laughed, fucker was serious? Fuck off with that.

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[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 51 points 4 months ago

Technically correct

The best kind of correct

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago

"But the planet is still there."

Check and mate! I feel so PWN3D. You see? If you don't mind not breathing, carbon dioxide isn't so bad after all!

[-] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago

it only said to the planet not anything living on it

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 4 months ago

oh, and the atmosphere on venus is mostly sulfuric acid. No big deal.

[-] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 12 points 4 months ago

The pressure alone would probably kill you if you didn’t suffocate first.

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[-] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 40 points 4 months ago

I never meant to cause you any sorrow

I never meant to cause you any pain

I only wanted one time to see you melting

I only wanted to see you

Melting in Venus' acid rain

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[-] altasshet@lemmy.ca 40 points 4 months ago

This is just a recycled George Carlin bit.

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[-] EmoPolarbear@lemmy.ca 36 points 4 months ago

So…. If I’m reading this right, because the giant ball of acid that eats spacecraft before they can do any meaningful exploration on the surface remains a ball we don’t have to worry about becoming more similar to said ball of acid?

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago

Nah. Just means earth itself is gonna be fine. It’ll keep being a planet.

Humans … we’re fucked.

Earth? She good.

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[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 31 points 4 months ago
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[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 28 points 4 months ago

Now lets compare the lifeform counts in both planets

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

Women are from Venus check mate.

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[-] naught101@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

Milloy has been spouting denial for decades, but this might be the dumbest thing I've seen him say yet.

[-] uebquauntbez@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

Ask Elon to shoot him to Venus for a brighter future. Plzzzzzzzz!

[-] KrankyKong@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Everyone seems to be taking this seriously. Am I the only one here that reads this as sarcasm?

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[-] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 months ago

Oh. Earth will be fine, then? Now we can breathe easy.

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