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[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 57 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Maybe at some point the Americans will get scared that the Chinese are actually making strides ahead of them in electrification and decarbonization to actually get unstuck from their idiotic culture war over fossil fuels.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 34 points 10 months ago

America will stop trying to sell oil when it runs out of oil and not one second before, no matter the actual cost.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

and will lash out for being behind for as long as they still have guns

[-] librejoe@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

Eh take news from China with a Giga size grain of salt.

[-] bilb@lem.monster 27 points 10 months ago

As opposed to news from the united states, which is certified good and true and democratic

[-] librejoe@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I agree with you.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 18 points 10 months ago

I don't know about this particular piece of news, but the insane expansion of HSR for example is no fake news.

[-] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

It will take a new space race for that to happen.

[-] roadrunner_ex@lemmy.ca 38 points 10 months ago
[-] WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I see what you did there

[-] Zozano@lemy.lol 6 points 10 months ago

Discharge though. Ew.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 32 points 10 months ago

To the best of my knowledge, this is the first commercially-funded (i.e., non-government) nuclear fusion reactor. Notable investors are MiHoYo (developers of Genshin Impact), Nio (Chinese EV company), and Sequoia Capital...

[-] kippinitreal@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

In your guys opinion, is that good or bad? Privately funded would mean proprietary & profit driven implementation for such a crucial technology (if successful). I personally don't like it.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 26 points 10 months ago

The CPC still maintains a lot of influence over companies even when they're getting their funding from private industry as part of their "politics in command" strategy for controlling market forces. We'll see how it plays out.

[-] ours@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Yep, if they need to disappear a CEO, no matter how big, they can and have done so in the past.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 18 points 10 months ago

Won't somebody think of the CEOs!

[-] match@pawb.social 15 points 10 months ago

i don't know why you got a downvote, disappearinga CEO should be the most popular thing the ccp does

[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 months ago

Any path that takes us to unlimited clean energy is the right one IMO. We could always do a little espionage and make our own domestic fusion drive eventually.

[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

No??

I've supported engineering at several privately funded nuclear fusion companies, though all of them, this Chinese company included, are building a product out of public school research.

Off the top of my head there's:

  • CFS
  • TAE technologies
  • Thea
  • Zap Energy

And several more...

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Building, or built? Either way, maybe these companies will come out with a better design than Tokamak, but until then they're literally just research ventures because the vast majority of investment at actually scaling fusion is happening for Tokamak tractors.

[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Built, physically operational reactors that operate as close to Q=1 as they can, with all the diagnostics included.

The diagnostics are very important, as plasma instabilities have been, and continue to be, the critical issue preventing anything useful coming out of our decades of fusion reactor design. All these companies are sharing data on overcoming plasma instability issues, with multiple geometries aimed at evaluating how plasma responds to different inputs in different environments. We're all trying to understand how to control and compress something far too hot to physically touch.

@naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca scaling fusion isn't a trivial problem, and saying it like it is indicates a lack of background knowledge. This isn't a competition between companies (no matter what our CEOs suggest), as we in industry quietly all agree that any of us that cracks this unchains humanity from the solar system. Because government funding has unfortunately sucked so much ass, we're sort of using private money to get the basic research done. We'd be so much farther ahead otherwise.

[-] Umbrias@beehaw.org 3 points 10 months ago

It is not the first commercially funded fusion reactor even assuming this qualified.

https://www.energystartups.org/top/fusion-energy/

Not hard to find a bunch.

[-] user134450@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

In the image of the discharge you can clearly see that the device has no cladding. That means a discharge would be limited to a duration of a few seconds, otherwise the material ablated from the wall would lead to extreme heat losses of the plasma. Did they include a future vessel cladding to the plasma volume calculation in the article?

[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Good points and questions. First wall interaction is going to be an interesting problem for this team to work around.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago

It means it's been commoditized, which is useful for obvious reasons

[-] rishado@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Natural gas bad, but ccp good?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago

No idea what ccp is, but CPC is demonstrably good for the people of China. Anybody who can't see that needs to stop guzzling propaganda.

[-] Umbrias@beehaw.org 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In what sense? They still have not achieved net power out.

Also "q>10 new reactor by 2027"

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