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Sorry, Matilda. (lemmy.world)
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[-] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 248 points 2 years ago

She's also Ben Shapiro's cousin, and they hate each other lol

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 132 points 2 years ago

Ben Shapiro having beef with Matilda is not something I ever expected to hear about. Lol

[-] theangryseal@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

It surprised me the last time I heard about it, then I forgot and got surprised again. :p

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[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago

She should do a show with Cody Johnston, the world's top expert on Ben Shapiro. I enjoy observing when facts do not care about Ben's feelings.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago

She has. She’s been on even more news. It was great

Do you know which episode?

[-] Enkrod@feddit.de 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

She's in SOME MORE NEWS: THE MOVIE for example

Cast

  • David Cross (David Cross)
  • Macaulay Culkin (Self)
  • Cody Johnston (Host)
  • Katy Stoll (Katy Stoll)
  • Michael Swaim (Cartoon Cody)
  • Abigail Thorn (British Cody)
  • Mara Wilson (Mara Wilson)
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[-] Delusional@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well yeah everyone hates ben and ben hates everyone because he's an idiotic republican man-child.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 22 points 2 years ago

idiotic republican man-child

Why did you write the same term three times in-a-row?

[-] Wilzax@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Hey now, not all idiots are Republicans. Some are tankies!

[-] RandomStickman@kbin.run 210 points 2 years ago

Well, I've never seen Mara Wilson and Daniel Radcliffe in the same room together...

[-] irreticent@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

I still contend that Marjorie Taylor Greene is just Dog the Bounty Hunter in drag. I mean, has anyone seen the two of them in the same place at the same time?

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 103 points 2 years ago

Man, I say this a lot and I know it comes across standoffish, but... US ethnic categorizations seem bonkers to me.

What does "half Jewish half Irish" even mean? Isn't that a Jewish person from Ireland? That would count as fully both things. What are the other two halves?

This is why I have to think about the immigration form for ten minutes each time I get through customs in the US, it's all "was any of your grandparents a smurf?" and "are you latino and/or lactose intolerant?" and stuff like that. It makes no sense.

[-] Undearius@lemmy.ca 83 points 2 years ago

What does "half Jewish half Irish" even mean?

One parent is Irish and the other is Jewish.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

So what are the religion and nationality of the other parents and why don't they count?

[-] FrenziedFelidFanatic@yiffit.net 81 points 2 years ago

Jewish is also an ethnicity. That’s why they can be ‘secular’ while still being half Jewish.

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago

In this context Jewish is the ethnicity, Mara actually calls it out in the tweet

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[-] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago

Or one parent was Irish and Jewish and the other was french and atheist

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[-] Wilzax@lemmy.world 77 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

People can be ethnically Jewish or religiously Jewish and they are separate identities. Historically, religiously jewish people tended to only marry other religiously jewish people, leading to the formation of a jewish ethnicity over time. For many, these identities are closely intertwined, for others they have both but view them separately. And for many others still, they only fit into one category or the other.

Irish, in contrast, is only an ethnicity but not a religion. (Unless you count certain sects of Celtic Paganism, but that's usually not what people mean)

If one parent is predominantly of Jewish heritage and the other of Irish heritage, then their child might identify as half-jewish-half-irish.

Genetically speaking, they are likely less than 50% of each because that would imply that each parent was completely and totally 100% their respective ethnicity genetically, which is (if possible) very very unlikely and realistically not 100% strictly defined.

People like to categorize things, including categories. For some, a part of their identity is based on the ethnic categories they fit themselves into, and some group these categories under one subsection of their identity, and assign weights to the different components of that category.

I love the funny things our pattern seeking brains do in order to quantify the unquantifiable and to better establish a sense of belonging and self in this amorphous and crazy society we're all a part of. What's really great is that none of what I've said is even universally true. It's just (from my observation) the most common way I've seen all these categories combined. If you disagree, you're completely free to do so, and neither of us are wrong until we start using numbers and statistics in our argument

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[-] constantokra@lemmy.one 21 points 2 years ago

Is it just the Jewish part that you don't get? The US has so many different active cultures going on in the same spaces that knowing someone's ethnic background can tell you a lot about them and their family. I'm sure some people want to know because they're racist, but for most people it's just a cultural shorthand. Knowing someone is Cuban rather than Puerto Rican, or half Spanish and half Irish tells you what kinds of experiences they might have had, what comfort foods they're likely to eat, how they're likely to celebrate their holidays. Stuff like that. Especially if one of their cultural identities is one that you share, or frequently share the same spaces with, you've probably just found a whole lot of commonalities with that person. Older people might ask. In my experience younger people generally won't. So either it's obvious to you or they tell you or you might not know at all.

From a governmental standpoint, they keep track of different statistics based on ethnicity, supposedly so they can make sure they're not failing any groups of people with representation, healthcare outcomes, policing, etc. It obviously doesn't always work, but that's supposed to be why the government is interested.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Aw, you guys are gonna make me answer this seriously, aren't you?

No, it's not the Jewish part that I don't get. I have been around enough to understand that Wilson is implying that she has some (presumably) Ashkenazi and some Irish ancestry, and I am self-aware enough to understand that she would sound insane if she put it that way.

The fact that she's calling it out as a shorthand for common cultural ground is the part that is strange, let alone the persistent hangup with ancestry and the weird assumption that culture is somehow genetic. I was just trying to break it down gently by being facetious about it.

It's weird, it's highly specific to American culture, and yes, I do get the very deep roots in colonialism that lead to this outcome. It's just weird to me that's where it landed and how often Americans seem to think it's universal when it's actually pretty unusual.

I was not kidding about the census categorizations that get repurposed on immigration forms, though. They are full of apples and oranges in all sorts of arrangements and I have never once felt I fit on any of the categories or that the categories themselves make any sense.

[-] gramathy@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago

Part of the reason she’s bothering to be that specific is for the “dammit ratcliffe” joke, it would be unnoteworthy except in a a”genetically predisposed to” context otherwise, but by being unnecessarily specific the cumulative effect of the joke gives a bigger payoff.

Essentially the “two nickels” joke but she’s allergic to nickel

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 years ago

the weird assumption that culture is somehow genetic

Do you think parents' ancestry plays zero part in a child's cultural experience in the US? Like as soon as you're born on US soil you're only allowed to eat KFC and burgers, and you can never hear folktales and history from a different country. Not to mention how cultural heritage plays into how you are perceived.

There's a difference between people saying "my great granddad was irish so I'm basically from Ireland and st paddy's day is the greatest holiday woooo!" and a Japanese American kid getting teased in elementary school for a foreign sounding name and eating pickled plums during lunch, or a Jewish kid in predominantly Christian areas never having their cultural holidays off school and feeling left out.

[-] kbotc@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

The one that gets me is the Brits who get irritated that “You’re not an X-American! You’re an American!” Then call anyone with any south Asian ancestry a Paki.

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[-] constantokra@lemmy.one 12 points 2 years ago

Like I said, we're quite mixed here. Take Hispanic as an example. You could be Hispanic and Latino, or one or the other and consider yourself white, or black or an indigenous American. This stuff is more about cultural identity, and crucially your cultural experiences and expectations, than it is about genetics. Plenty of families are actually wrong about where they're from, for a variety of reasons. But that doesn't matter all that much. In Florida, for instance, Spanish families generally have more in common with Cubans and Italians than they would with recent immigrants from Spain because of when the most significant waves of immigration happened that have historically shaped our communities.

I'd also like to point out that all of this doesn't seem from colonialism either. Lots of people leave their home countries for lots of reasons and end up here. There is a vocal minority of people who don't like that and think their kids aren't American enough, but to the rest of us they're American as hell. So you can be American and whatever, and doesn't make you any less American. It can't be universal, because most other places don't have this kind of population. But it's relevant here because there are so many American experiences that if you want to know where you share cultural touchstones, or experience and acknowledge other cultures, it gives you a place to start from.

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[-] retrieval4558@mander.xyz 15 points 2 years ago

I think the confusing part is that Jewish is considered by most people to be both a religion and an ethnicity.

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[-] son_named_bort@lemmy.world 84 points 2 years ago

Radcliffe: played Weird Al

Wilson: did not play Weird Al

There was always a clear winner.

[-] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 26 points 2 years ago

Everyone knows Radcliffe’s breakout role was as the Swiss Army Man

[-] JimmyChanga@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago

That's fucking brilliant

[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Harry Potter probably took inspiration from Matilda, which is why this works so well.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Daniel Radcliffe got nickel allergy based on Matilda?!?

[-] Venator@lemmy.nz 13 points 2 years ago

That's probably just a half-irish, half-jewish genetic predisposion.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Radcliff probably took his inspiration from Harry Potter, since it was a global sensation at the time and literally every kid read them.

Except me. I thought I was too old, and thus too cool, to be reading Harry Potter. So I didn't read it till I was like 23, and significantly less cool.

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[-] neuracnu 37 points 2 years ago

As a fellow person with partial Irish ancestry and a nickel allergy, do I have... magic powers?

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

You need to find an old British children's book that could be about you. Then, maybe?

[-] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

James? How’s the giant peach been?

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[-] PancakeTrebuchet@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

Matilda is a gem of a movie, as is the remake of Miracle on 34th Street, which Mara also starred in.

[-] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Any version of Miracle on 34th Street is gonna be a no from me, dawg. Love the actor, but that dumpster fire of a plot needs to be relegated to the dustbin of history.

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[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 14 points 2 years ago

Who did Mara Wilson play and in what? The image says nothing to me.

[-] DickFiasco@lemm.ee 64 points 2 years ago

She was in Matilda but I don't remember her character's name.

[-] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago

No silly, she was the character Matilda, but I don't remember the movie's name.

[-] DickFiasco@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

Ah yes, you're right. I always confuse her character's name with the title of the film.

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[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago

So wait, how does a nickel allergy work? Like, if they rake your leaves and you're like "thanks a bunch, here's some change for your hard work", do they die Killer Bean style?

[-] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

It's a contact allergy, so mostly it just makes you break out in a rash if you wear jewelry or work with tools that have been plated in nickel. It takes time before you break out, although people instantly falling over after getting a handful of change would be hilarious to see.

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