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Photographer Disqualified From AI Image Contest After Winning With Real Photo (petapixel.com)
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[-] Silverseren@fedia.io 161 points 4 months ago

Disqualification seems appropriate. If it is against the rules to use AI photos in a normal photo category and the winner gets disqualified for that, which has happened, and it is against the rules to use a non-AI photo in this category, then the person should similarly be disqualified.

Not sure if the person behind this actually made the point they thought they were? Because it just shows that being consistent in rules and disqualification is good and the contest was consistent.

[-] corus_kt@lemmy.world 101 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The stated point listed in the article was to prove that manual photography has merit and that 'nothing is more fascinating than Mother Nature herself', which he proved by winning the people's choice award. He didn't say the disqualification was inappropriate nor did he criticize the contest for inconsistent rules? It seems quite clear that he expected to be removed from the contest after making his statement, actually.

Personally I hope this doesn't become a trend of machine generation and manually shot/created work spoiling each other's contests.

[-] Silverseren@fedia.io 25 points 4 months ago

So, does that mean that AI photos have merit when they win photo competitions, as has happened in the past? Seems like the point he was trying to make would go both ways.

[-] corus_kt@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sure, AI photos have their merit. I believe manual and ai generated photos are their own categories and can be appreciated seperately as such.

Why limit AI photos to being a clone of real photos? Push expression of the subconscious, the psychedelic, the eldritch, etc. Make something creatively unique from the photoreal, something manual photos would struggle to recreate.

[-] Restaldt@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

The monkey's paw curls....

Around hitlers dick

[-] OhmsLawn@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

You're right. I'm trying to figure out what all the controversy is in this. I'm not seeing anything.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Did you even read the article?

[-] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 27 points 4 months ago

Did you? It seems to me the above commenter summed up what has happened quite correctly.

[-] awesome_lowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 4 months ago

It'd be nice if you actually pointed out what in the article contradicts their statement.

[-] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

This is Reddit 2.0. So, no.

[-] Downcount@lemmy.world 156 points 4 months ago

The turns! They tabled.

[-] Bookmeat@lemmy.world 64 points 4 months ago

EVP of Samsung, Patrick Chomet, recently said that "there's no such thing as a real picture". So this artist should object to the disqualification 🙂

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 28 points 4 months ago

how can pictures be real if cameras aren't real?

[-] nailbar@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 months ago

Picture of a bird, no less. Nothing is real!

[-] Mikina@programming.dev 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm also pretty sure the camera does use some ML algorithms in processing of the pictures, so it is an AI by today standarts.

[-] chester22@api.clubsall.com 49 points 4 months ago

AI photographer seems to me like an incredibly bizarre title

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Man bites dog.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 months ago

His statement is so weird. No one said there is no merit in "real" artists. AI just makes it easier for non artists to add pictures into their projects. Like every industrial revolution it just takes work off of us.

[-] neomachino@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 4 months ago

I would love for robots to take over the boring jobs like making art, I think it's a great advancement that our overlords have engineered for us. Now we can get back to things we really enjoy like shoveling shit and suffocating in mines.

Thank god they didn't make robots more useful for everyday life tasks, freeing up a portion of the day. I have a hard enough time deciding what to do with my free 25 minutes every week as it is.

Got to go, my mining shift at the shit factor.... Never mind they made robots to mine shit now, guess I'll go starve to death in line waiting for free bread crumbs.

[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Software to "make" 2d artistic images is much easier to develop than robots to do household tasks. Not that we don't see advancements there either, for example robot vacuums are becoming more commonplace.

[-] freeman@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Robots and automation have been cutting 'mundane' jobs for literal centuries.

Artists are frankly out of touch and callous when they imply other people's jobs should be replaced.

[-] probableprotogen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

Or you could just... learn to draw? Sure it takes a while to learn, sure it takes a lot of time to make things, but it genuinely is worth it for the journey alone.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I mean I feel like this is the same as entering a soap box derby and coming to the race with a gas-powered go-kart.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 13 points 4 months ago

Sounds to me like the right thing to do would be disqualify the winner and cancel the category entirely.

[-] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 4 months ago

What's the point?

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 13 points 4 months ago

The artist proved that right now, AI art cannot compete.

If a horse wins an auto race, don’t give a prize to the #2 motorist.

[-] TheUncannyObserver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 4 months ago

That’s not what he proved at all. What he proved is that an actual photo can’t compete with AI. Literally, because it’s not eligible to compete in an AI contest. His photo wasn’t the best in the category, because it wasn’t in the category to begin with. It’s no different than submitting a photoshopped image in a contest for untouched photos. The disqualification was appropriate, because if he’s willing to break the rules once, he can’t be trusted to be a part of any contests going forward.

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

No, no, they're right. I entered my motorcycle in a soapbox derby and won. Everyone agreed we should just light all the derby cars on fire and no soapbox derby cars should ever be made again.

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 4 months ago

That's not how sports work, even Motorsport has classes, often in the same race, e.g. of course LMP-3 or GT3 cannot compete with LMP-1, and the latter cannot compete with F1 (unless you're whatever madlads made the 919 Evo at Porsche), but it's still things people watch. Hell classic motorsport can be a ton of fun and there's rally classes that drive in 100hp cars that make my overweight nerd heart flutter just watching them

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There have been years where a lower class is the overall winner in some endurance Motorsport races though. So your analogy is wrong. If a GT3 Porsche happens to be more efficient or if it’s a year with poor LMP teams, a lower class car can certainly win the overall victory.

There will still be class victories, but that’s separate from an overall.

Also classic car (historic racing) is totally awesome, the Goodwood Revival especially has done a really good job making racing exciting again. Their YouTube channel is really well done too.

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago

There have been years where a lower class is the overall winner in some endurance Motorsport races though.

It's possible, but that's not the intention behind having multiple classes. No one gets into a slower car expecting to win by hoping that all the fast cars combust.

So your analogy is wrong

Not really, the exception proves the rule in this case.

Goodwood Revival

I'll check it out! Thanks

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 5 points 4 months ago

So, the photography competition that was won by an AI image shouldn't have disqualified the image?

[-] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

But the ai art won...

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 months ago

Photographer Disqualified From AI Image Contest After Winning With Real Photo

[-] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

And did you read the article?

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 months ago

Did you?

A photographer has been disqualified from a picture competition after his real photograph won in the AI image category.

[-] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

Miles Astray entered a real, albeit surreal photo of a flamingo into the AI category of the 1839 Color Photography Awards which the judges not only placed third but it also won the People’s Vote Award.

It got third

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 4 months ago

The AI art did not win the "People's Vote award."

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 4 months ago

This is more like the other way around and a car won a race against horses.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

A car won a race against a bunch of drawings of cars on poster board.

[-] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Just let the AI be the judges. I think it's bullshit that's not how it works

[-] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 months ago

... do you think AI is...?

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