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My bet is on beeswax for the non-vegan ingredient.
You would be right. I have the same packs. I don't know if I bought old stock, but I bought the pack with the blue lid recently, the black lid pack is older.
The black lid pack contains bee wax and more water than the blue lid pack (64% vs 57% of the natural ingredients).
Probably this and a synthetic emulsifier/surfactant or the like.
That would be vegan though
It depends. Many vegans see any product that "exploits" animals as nonvegan. That includes things like down feathers, wool and honey.
Not sure how Wool exploits animals, shearing sheep is good for their health as I understand it (keeping them from growing things, or getting too heavy/waterlogged to move and just... laying there and dying, amomgst other things.)
Sheep are selectively bred for their wool. Before humans started doing so, wild sheep did just fine without the need for shearing. So it's pretty similar to milk in that if you don't milk a modern dairy cow it will suffer, that doesn't make milk an ethical product.
After a few sheers they're off to the slaughterhouse once the wool quality degrades. The sheering is not for their benefit.
Not a natural ingredient though.
And beeswax is an animal product.
Okay, but Ephera's comment was about the (non-)vegan ingredients.
"Matt" paste? Isn't it "matte" or am I taking crazy pills again?
Edit: What the fuck... It's spelled differently in the UK, the US, and Canada (where I'm from). It's matte in Canada, mat in US, and matt in the UK.
From the Government of Canada website: https://www.noslangues-ourlanguages.gc.ca/en/writing-tips-plus/matte-mat-matt
Pretty sure it's matte in the US, too
Seconded. Literally have never seen it spelled mat.
"Mat" is a small rug usually for wiping shoes on. "Matt" is a boy's name, short for Matthew. "Matte" means the opposite of glossy.
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It's definitely matte in the USA.
Thirding the notion that it's definitely not "mat" in the US. A mat is something you put on the ground, Matt is my cousin's ex-fiance, and matte is a surface finish with little to no shine.
Really don't know what people say English is hard to learn, we use the same word for so many things that there's fewer words to learn /s
Why waste time say lots words when few words do trick?
USA here- matte
From the UK. I've never seen matte spelled as matt. CA, UK and AU are generally pretty close with spelling, whereas the US is usually off doing its own thing. It's a similar thing to blonde and blond.
It’s matte in the US. I think the manufacturer is just being silly
Now I'm not saying anything, but I dated a Matt, and he did produce a lot of paste... I'd have to run the numbers to see if it's viable for mass-production though.
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Yep all 3 are valid, matte is the new variant. https://www.etymonline.com/word/matte#etymonline_v_9722
And I’ve seen all 3 in use in the USA. It’s not matte = Canada. I’ve seen matte more than mat which is historically the spelling. The oed doesn’t list matt as the proper spelling but who knows with the brits.
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Poor matt
Matt's just fine, what do you think they made the paste out of? "Is that hair gel?"
It's no longer labeled vegan. A lot of producers actively avoid the label, despite the fact that the Vegan Society would provide their stamp of approval. I've heard somewhere putting it on your product lowers sales. All this to say, are you certain it's actually not vegan anymore?
Someone said the non vegan version has bee wax in it.
Definitely a thing. Vegan can be hidden somewhere on some products, or they might use different language.
I ran an experiment a few years ago at a party I hosted. I had two trays of Oreos. One labeled 'Oreos', the other labeled 'Vegan Oreos'. Now, Oreos are vegan, but aren't labeled as such. I had to refill the standard Oreos a couple times throughout the night. The 'Vegan' labeled tray ended the night with more than half still there. Vegan definitely plays a role in sales, and not always for the best.
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I wouldn't even be surprised if this is just a shift in marketing. The "Vegan" label, in particular, has fallen out of style as more and more men become obsessed with meat-based diets.
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Keto, paleo, whatever the roid king is doing. The share of people picking that up and going "ew, vegan, it'll probably turn me into a soy boy" is probably bigger than the share of people who only buy vegan products, OR the savings of cutting those 6% of natural ingredients are worth losing the latter share of buyers. Bottom line is the company's bottom line.
It looks like the 91% natural ingredients version has benzyl alcohol as a preservative which is typically synthetically derived and in my experience can drastically shift the bio-based ratio.
As far as I can see, the rest of the ingredients are the same, but the sourcing of those ingredients could be different which could also shift the naturally derived percentage.
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Who's Matt and how come you've got his paste?
Damn, I guess you will have to find a new hair product to eat.
Welp, looks like I won't be licking your hair anytime soon you monster.
You are showing them backwards - the NEW formulation is the one that says vegan. Did you buy the second one at Big Lots or something?
I was about two make a whole lecture about percentage points but it just so happens it actually is ~6% less in this case.
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Have we just forgotten about the word "fewer" entirely at this point?
It's not 6 fewer ingredients, it's 6% less of the total being naturally derived.
It's hilarious that you made an even dumber error in a try at correcting.
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I save my ear wax and just reuse that for hair paste. You need one of the gyroscope cleaners though to get enough wax.
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