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[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 175 points 5 months ago

Ranked Choice Voting! Find your local RCV group and find ways to help get RCV implemented in your city! It’s something that sees opposition from republicans and democrats so you know it’s good.

[-] chetradley@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

I'm a fan of STAR voting myself, but anything is better than the first past the post system we have now.

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[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 126 points 5 months ago

It's stunning that each party managed to find a candidate that could lose against the other.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If the election was today, Biden would lose. Imagine if Trump wasn't the nominee for November, the GOP would win the presidency.

Edit: it's just reality according to the current polling.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago

B-B-Biden bad! You really got to get it in huh.

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[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 5 months ago

according to the current polling

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the polls are likely skewed towards the GOP, and it's thought that this is because of random text/calls, which boomers are more likely to respond to.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

Its not that stunning. In fact, its more common than you'd guess.

Only Ford could lose to Carter. Only Dukakis could lose to Bush. Only Hillary could lose to Trump. Hindsight 20/20. Foresight blind as a fucking bat.

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[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 94 points 5 months ago

The existence of Project 2025 makes all of the "which candidate is better?" discussion completely irrelevant. If you support the people that support Project 2025 then you're a bootlicker who wants to end popular representation in the government and replace it with authoritarianism. If you are vocally against the people who oppose Project 2025 then you are collaborating with the enemy.

Any other option is better.

[-] jorp@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

Meanwhile Project 2025 on the Democrat side is the codename for the medical advances being pursued to keep Biden functioning through to 2025.

(I kid of course, you're absolutely right, as depressing as that is)

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The existence of Project 2025

Republicans have a shitty pre-election plan in the run up to every election. This isn't any different than every other election cycle, from the perspective of "Bad Republicans promise to do bad things".

Any other option is better.

The illusion of electoral choice is choking the life out of any actual democracy in this country. Time and time again, we're told which party is The Worst and that Anyone Else Would Be Better. That's how Trump won in 2016 ffs. Republicans doomed themselves to a decade of this manic fascist bumblefuckery by whipping themselves into an "Anyone but Hillary!" feeding frenzy.

If you are vocally against the people who oppose Project 2025 then you are collaborating with the enemy.

You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists!

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[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 68 points 5 months ago

I think Trump retiring and the Republicans replacing him with a charismatic, young, intelligent christofascist would be devastating for the Democrats (and humanity) right now and I don't know why they don't do it.

For that matter I don't see why Democrats don't replace Biden with a charismatic, young, intelligent social democrat which would be equally devastating for republicans. So who knows with these people.

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Charismatic + Young + Intelligent + Christofascist...

0 results found.

I think Republicans might need to remove one search criterion to make that work.

As for Dems... that might just be AOC? Lol

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[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago

They don't do it because it doesn't serve them personally. As we have seen time and time again, politicians are mostly griftfers that will flip on a dime and change their moral compass just so that they can benefit from the situation.

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[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 62 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is the current state of US politics - it's more about who you're against than who you're for, and I firmly believe this is the reason why no scandals seem to matter anymore.

On the conservative side, they get a steady stream of content telling them how horrible Biden and the Democrats are, so anyone with a heartbeat and an (R) next to their name is fine. It's probably how Trump of all people became the party leader.

[-] natecox@programming.dev 21 points 5 months ago

Strategic voting is a direct result of first past the post voting; effectively any system that uses FPTP will result in a two party system where your vote gets used against the other person not for your choice.

I’ll continue to shill for ranked choice voting whenever I see any opportunity.

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[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

On the progressive side, they get a steady stream of content telling them how horrible Trump and the Republicans are, so anyone with a heartbeat and an D next to their name is fine. It’s probably how Biden of all people became the party leader.

[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 17 points 5 months ago

Sure, if you ignore all the progressives who hate Biden and protest his handling of Palestine constantly, you can pretend that both sides are lockstep behind dear leader.

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[-] kromem@lemmy.world 43 points 5 months ago

"People voting for watching paint dry instead of poking sticks in their eyes appear to be mostly motivated by avoiding sticks...in their eyes."

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[-] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 39 points 5 months ago

That was also true in 2020. And in 2016 for Hillary.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I have never whole heartedly supported the Democratic candidate (because I'm far more left than any of them have ever been), but I've always voted for them, because they're far better than the other option. This time they're just so far better than the other option, not because they are any better, but because the other option is so astoundingly worse. So, I guess, welcome to the club.

But I will say, Biden has been more progressive than any other candidate in my lifetime. Again, that's not saying much, but hey, it's better than nothing. He's just killing himself by supporting Israel.

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[-] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

Biden has not been as bad as I expected him to be, but he is out of touch with the average American. Politicians need mandatory retirements. We need someone under the age of 65. But I'll take him over the convicted felon.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 29 points 5 months ago

“It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."

"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"

"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."

"I did," said Ford. "It is."

"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?"

"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in."

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Anyone who who is capable of getting themselves made president should on no account be allowed to do the job.

ETA: Anyone downvoting this is not a hoopy frood

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[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago

In other news, water is wet.

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[-] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

I mean no shit.

[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

same reason people blindly follow Trump

four years we still have low wages and higher costs, women lost rights held for over half a century, police are still running amuck, environmental concerns abound, genocide, antiimmigration policies

and Trump's resume does not look any better

and the same people will scream and pitch a fit if anyone suggest a third party because it means a vote for that other guy

football politics

[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If you think these two candidates are the same, you haven't put literally any effort into paying attention at all, get out of here with your enlightened centrist bullshit.

Yeah, Biden is mediocre at best, and you're usually right about the Dem vs GOP race... but this isn't that, anymore. MAGA is a different beast.

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[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 months ago

If you're not voting for one of the big two in most cases you might as well save yourself the bother and stay home. Not saying it's right, it shouldn't be that way but the US voting system is extremely flawed so you need to make a frustrating decision. That's just the shitty reality of it from what I can tell from the outside at least.

[-] Ioughttamow@kbin.run 34 points 5 months ago

Nah. Trump is dangerous. You skip this vote, you might never vote again

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 months ago

I probably didn't word that very well, I agree everyone should absolutely vote.

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[-] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 22 points 5 months ago

No shit. That’s been his whole platform from the beginning.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

Biden won 2020 in spite of being Joe Biden, it's why it took almost 40 years for him to win his first presidential primary, people just don't ot want him as president.

Now that we've had him for four years, and he was worse than we expected...

I really don't think he can pull out another razor thin win like in 2020.

We're risking trump so we can have a Dem president that's more conservative than Dem voters want.

There's no logic behind it, except the donor class would rather have trump than a progressive. And just like AIPAC, they decided it's easiest to just buy both parties in the primary.

This is the third election and a row, it's not going to be different in 2028. If voters only requirement is "blue" then nothing is stopping either party from getting more and more conservative every election

[-] ccunning@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

Now that we've had him for four years, and he was worse than we expected...

He far exceeded my expectations.

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[-] CaptainKickass@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

The only reason I'm voting for him is that he's not trump.

I'm not voting for Biden, I'm voting against trump

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[-] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago

Good thing they conducted a poll to figure this out

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[-] Ballistic_86@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

I thought this was an Onion article at first. Of course most people voting Biden are only doing so because the only other option is convicted felon Donald Trump.

Biden is a loser president in a loser system. But if the option is him or Insurrectionist/Felon/Rapist Donald Trump, it is the option people will vote for.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

Man who closed the deal with 43k votes out of 5.7M across three pivotal states happy to report he has well over 80% of his original voter base behind him.

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