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I'm asking because as a light-skinned male, I always use the standard Simpsons yellow. I don't really see other light-skinned people using an emoji that matches their skin tone, but often do see people of color use them. Maybe white people don't naturally realize a need to be explicit with emoji skin-tone or perhaps it's seen as implicitly identifying or requesting white privilege.

  • Is there a significance to using skin-tone emojis, and if so, what is it?

  • Assuming there might be a racial movement attached to the first question, how does my use of emojis, both Simpsons yellow and light-skin, interact with or contribute to that?

Note: I am an autistic white Latino-American cis-gendered man that aims to be socially just.

Autistic text stim: blekh 😝 blekh 😝 blekh 😝 blekh 😝 blekh 😝 !!

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[-] dhork@lemmy.world 127 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Use what you want to. Let others use what they want to. Don't overthink it.

Some people are thrilled with the fact that they can make their little online avatar closer to their reality, others don't give a damn, because they don't want to define themselves by their virtual presence. At the end of the day, though, they're just pixels. What you say and how you treat people is much more important than whatever little +1 icon gets attached.

[-] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 50 points 5 months ago

There's no significance because they are just fucking emojis.

Simpsons yellow

:D

[-] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I kinda like using emoji that are similar to my skintone. Not really making a statement, but somehow it feels a little more "me." Hard to explain why it matters, it's not like I won't use the yellow ones if that's all they have. Just kinda like "hehe, that's a lil me in that message."

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 32 points 5 months ago

My immediate opinion upon skin tone emoji being introduced was the mildest frustration: we’d had unified emoji for all Homo sapiens!

Then after seeing someone use their own skin tone for an emoji, I realized… oh, dang. They can feel represented now, potentially in a way they did not before.

I use yellow 100%. But not bad folks have options.

One neat thing is on Slack you may be able to see a hint of your company’s vibrant diversity if folks are reacting with all colors of emoji. Admittedly it could also look a little cluttered though maybe they are grouping reactions by symbol now.


On a related note, I’ve seen two people with very light (though non-white) skin tones use significantly darker skin tone emoji. One of those times I brought it up with someone else and they’re like “yeah what’s with that?!” Self image or eyesight related perhaps…

[-] Nemo@midwest.social 25 points 5 months ago

There's at least two things going on here:

A) a very mild case of the "white as default" part of white privilege. White people see themselves as default and use the default emoji.

2] the (often accurate) perception that white people who highlight their race unnecessarily do so out of racial pride, making self-use of a "white" emoji suspect.

I'm not saying these are the only two things at play, just the ones that occurr to me on first examinstion.

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Ugh. What a load of horse shit. 1) People are lazy, 2) often don’t realize that they /can/ change them, 3) care to.

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[-] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 22 points 5 months ago

I just use the yellow one as I feel like they already represent everyone. I would definitely not feel any better about using a white emoji, I'd just feel like a racist trying to convince people that I'm better. I also like the yellow ones as it makes the standard to be anonymous about your skin colour. Or you could just use the outlined one for everything 🫥. Also the hole emoji is awesome 🕳️

And that was a way longer ramble then I intended 😀

And finally, good by 🖐️🖐🏻🖐🏼🖐🏽🖐🏾🖐🏿

P.S. Typing them all out the yellow one is also by far the most readeble. The white ones work very good on the black background I'm viewing this on but they probably just blend in to the background if your using a light theme. Maybe we should just type out all the variants? 🤷🤷🏻🤷🏼🤷🏽🤷🏾🤷🏿🤷‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏾‍♀️🤷🏿‍♀️🤷‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

[-] Noodle07@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

I'm a guy and default to use the female 🤷most of the time because that's what my phone gives me on some apps

[-] triarius@programming.dev 13 points 5 months ago

I think that one 🤷 is meant to be gender neutral. 🤷‍♀️ & 🤷‍♂️ are less ambiguous.

[-] vivavideri@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

I 🤸 FUCKING 🧘 LOVE 🏊 MY 🙆 PERSON-EMOJIS

[-] Fosheze@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

I honestly didn't know the emojis were gendered until now.

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[-] blusterydayve26@midwest.social 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The original emojis were white before the yellow and darker tones were added in 2015. Look up Katrina Parrott for the backstory. In short, before yellow was the default, White was the only option, and that’s kinda racist, and was only 9 years ago.

Yellow was simply a neutral addition to emojis that matched well with the existing yellow smiley face (which that French asshole keeps charging people for).

Thanks for questioning your assumptions. Further reading if you’re interested:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/pranavdixit/katrina-parrott-skin-tone-emojis-patent-office-warren

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=parrot+skin+tone+emoji+&t=ffip&ia=web

[-] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 months ago

Emojis evolved from the smileys we had in the late 90s, which were mostly yellow, but could be in various colours, like red for the angry face. Those smileys evolved from the text versions like these :) or :D

[-] loomi@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Historically the original emojis were ascii so the symbol had the color of text on the electronic device where typed

:-)

¯_(ツ)_/¯

:(

And so on

[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago

Those were called emoticons back in the day.

[-] loomi@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Same same

emoji became a thing because the Japanese wanted pictures aka kanji style representation of the ascii expressions. In any regards OG skin tone was average Japanese

[-] loomi@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Also the first gen iPhone emoji were a Japanese add on pack, iirc a keyboard addition. I had to install this add on on my iphone3g while I lived in Japan. Those emoji had average Japanese skin which white people just assumed was white. Only after those optional emoji got popular did apple make it standard, android copied, then people got worried about range of skin tone seeing as the Unicode was a global standard.

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[-] deafboy@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

Emoji is a failed concept anyway, because what you send is not necessary what the recipient gets. Why the app developers don't get this, is one of the great mysteries of our century.

But when I do use them, I choose the yellow ones.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

I would agree that emoji have basically failed. They confuse communication rather than facilitate it.

Why are there 😀 and 😃 ? "Grinning face" and "Grinning face with big eyes." Why? There are so many of them with subtle details like this that A. choosing between them is a bigger chore than it should be and B. they have to be rendered at such a high DPI that "bro just increase your font size" becomes the bullshit workaround everyone tells you to do. I can read the English text just fine, but on most screens emoji are indistinct blobs.

Emoji are subject to all the variation that fonts are. You know how there are two lowercase "g" glyphs? There's the one you probably do when handwriting which is an O and a J, and then there's the loop over a loop that basically no one hand writes, it looks like the font Lemmy uses has that g. Well, emoji are like that. Like how they had to add "male dancer/female dancer" the the standard because Google rendered the "dancer" emoji as a lame disco man, Apple rendered it as a woman in a red dress.

They don't get used the way we used to use emoticons. I don't see people say things like "I can't go to the park today ☹️ " I see people say "Hey guys 👬 I just got back from the store 🏪 with some groceries 🥫 and took a picture 📸 of my dog 🐕 " Which to me demonstrates a failure to grow past the Sesame Street book with 6 thick rigid pages reading level.

Finally, there are so many symbols that have alternate meanings that you just have to know. Like you can send white or tan or brown faces, but all eggplants are purple and all peaches are pink.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

But when I do use them, I choose the yellow ones.

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[-] deafboy@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

That one is from The Stick of Truth character editor

[-] jiberish@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Isn’t it weird that only the white people in The Simpsons are yellow? There’s other races that aren’t yellow. And the Simpson’s world mirrors the real word; a large number of yellow people migrated from Eastern Europe to settle in Springfield.

I guess it’s better than the Doug universe, with people being either Caucasian or blue or purple. Very weird choice of representation, Nickelodeon! 👀

[-] klemptor@startrek.website 5 points 5 months ago

Didn't doug have a green dude too? And he was supposed to be white?

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 5 points 5 months ago

Wait until you hear about Sesame street!

[-] scutiger@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Matt Groening said he made the characters in the Simpsons yellow with oddly colored hair so that people would be confused by the colors and try to adjust the knobs on their TVs to fix it only to never get it quite right.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I just use the white as fuck guy because he has a green shirt (at least, on Android anyway) and I like green. Me being white as fuck is just a coincidence. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[-] klemptor@startrek.website 11 points 5 months ago

I'm on Android and that shirt is definitely blue 🤷🏻‍♀️

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[-] OlPatchy2Eyes@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

White dude here. I use the white skin emojis, but honestly I think it's just because I see my black and brown friends use their skin tones as a rule, and I feel like using the yellow tone is a bit weird when others are using the skin tone customization.

I'm not ashamed of my skin color or anything and the phone remembers my last tone selection so I don't really see a reason to not use it.

[-] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

All my emojis have jaundice

[-] rockandsock@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago

Most white people expect peach color/white to be the universally accepted default and everyone should just not think about it because they themselves rarely have to think about representation.

White people in majority white countries rarely experience lack of representation so they don't think its a big deal.

If medium brown was the default lots of people would be losing their minds with rage and y'all know it.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

The emoji standard is bright yellow though, not peach or white.

[-] meekah@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

That's not the point of the comment, and not even what they said

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[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 14 points 5 months ago

What white. Default is yellow.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

I have a white friend that uses the dark brown emojis, which I'm kind of uncomfortable with. I think he thinks he's showing solidarity. To me it seems like blackfishing. I haven't put any more thought into it though, as it is a pretty minor thing in a world with much more important things to be concerned with.

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[-] Dumbkid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 5 months ago

Yes, officer, this comment right here

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[-] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

I think the idea is that the default yellow is symbolic (with some "white people are the default" connotation) and now that you can choose the skin tone of your emojis, many people now select one that matches their skin tone.

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago

I'm pale and I use the pale emoji, feels more like me.

I never really used the yellow ones. 🤷🏼

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[-] normalexit@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

I leave mine stock yellow, but it is kind of a cool thing when you see a bunch of different color emojis liking a post. Feels nice and diverse lol.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 9 points 5 months ago

Is it considered poor taste to use darker emoji colors if you are white?

[-] Today@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Like emoji blackface?

In one app I'm a girl with medium skin tone and dark hair. In another I'm a pale boy with red blond hair. No idea how either one was chosen.

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Intentions matter in these questions. You'll know it when you see it if it is in bad taste.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 5 points 5 months ago

Only if you are using them to convey some kind of racist message or pretending to be someone of color.

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[-] Ballistic_86@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

It’s about personal preference for sure. I tried to start using the “white” emojis and it just didn’t seem to matter. If I do use an emoji, I tend to default to the Simpsons yellow because it requires no extra effort. I don’t see a ton of people using the skin-tone emojis at all. I also have no issue with people using them much like pronouns in emails/profiles.

I’m also on iPhone so if I am going to extra mile I’ll just use my little sticker guy who better represents me in general.

[-] psion1369@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

I don't use emoji very much. The most I use is when I'm working and sometime asks me to take on a task in Slack. There is a thumbs up all emoji that is just the skin tone shifting to all the colors. I like it because then I don't have to give a fuck about it.

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