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Tankie rule (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 5 months ago by Rozauhtuno to c/196
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[-] tanja 37 points 5 months ago

I like the intention, but I'm worried about the advice near the end

Learn to see things that aren't "leftist" as radical.

I.e. a whole bunch of settle for less

I want leftist spaces, groups, what have you without tankies, not community centers who dislike the current government.

Am I missing something? I'm new to this 🥺

[-] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 15 points 5 months ago

No you are on the correct track. Tankies arent at all the most left. They are authoritarian which is more right than they want to admit. Just being anti capitalism isn't an instant moral win.

They'll argue that it's the best way while ignoring that basically every instance of communism in modern history is basically a dictatorship that used communist ideals as a medium to gain power.

Like fuck capitalism but power centralization and militarized authoritarianism is not the "fix"

[-] anarchist@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Tankies are state capitalists.

I don't know about the semantics anymore, so it's upto you if you want to say they are 'left', but anarchist spaces are the best of the bunch.

[-] uriel238 11 points 5 months ago

Yes. One-party autocracy is the government that requires strategies like fascist ideology and hypernationalism (and going to war) as part of their mechanism to quell unrest and discontent.

People don't usually like it when they're poor and eating cheap baloney on dry bread while the principle cabinet is swimming in champaign and banging the Lebensborn selectees.

But if it's temporary while undesirables are hunted down, if it's their patriotic duty and duty to their race to go to work every day, if there's a war effort, then maybe they can hold out for a little longer.

Such regimes call themselves communist or democratic or whatever. But it is how they work that informs what they are, not the self-appointed label. Case in point the National Socialist German Workers Party, which wasn't so great for the workers.

[-] fracture@beehaw.org 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

this is interesting to me. i recently met, and subsequently turned down, a local communist party. after some interrogation, i realized that, much like organizing folks in my workplace, i wanted the work i did with them to directly benefit the people of my community. they were very much about recruitment ("waiting for the next event where capitalism radicalizes a bunch of people") and learning theory (... which i respect to a certain extent), with a distinct emphasis on doing things other than community building / mutual aid / etc. they're also mentioned as one of the not-great groups (RCA)

i guess i'd like to know which groups are doing that important community building / solidarity building / organization education outreach? there's a mutual aid group in my area i'd like to become involved with at some point, at least

to a certain extent, i also want to know if my criteria for judging a group is good (or, if you agree, i suppose) - i've always thought that the worth of a group (here, meaning, a group meant to change things in the world for the better) is measured in the lives they've changed. but i can't prove that, obviously, it's just what i've arrived at based on my experience of the world, and i'm curious what others think

[-] uriel238 8 points 5 months ago

Look for mutual aid organizations. Note that in some US states they are legally gray and will get harassed by law enforcement when they're recognized for what they are.

Or, you can look around your neighborhood for a thing that needs to be done (say cleaning up trash or repairing a playground) and do that thing without asking anyone. Not only will the thing get done, but people will see and become curious, maybe feel better or become inspired.

This sort of activity is the height of radical and punk these days (and can get you in trouble with the law).

[-] fracture@beehaw.org 4 points 5 months ago

lmaoooo believe it or not, some people around here ALREADY had that idea. which is INSANE when people are paying >$100 a month in HOA fees 😭 which i discovered by talking to someone i (mistakenly) believed was getting paid to pick up trash in the area

it's shit like that that makes me want to organize people

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