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Freedom! (lemmy.ml)
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[-] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 103 points 5 months ago

"I demand the freedom to prevent others from doing things I don't like! 🤬"

[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 38 points 5 months ago

That's an unfair characterization.

It's not just the things they don't like that can't happen...it's also the things they do like that must happen! See, for instance, prayer in school. (Separation of Church and State only applies to satanic stuff or something, idk...)

[-] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

I just want to smoke crack and buy guns and keep my laptop private

[-] psud@aussie.zone 6 points 5 months ago

Sorry only the first two are freedom®

[-] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago
[-] notaviking@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

You aren't free to do anything unless we live in the wild. Society is built on the premise that we work together and place restrictions on certain things where we can live in harmony. But it is an ever evolving set of rules, and just because the law says so does not make it just, slavery was a law, apartheid was a law, the purge in a fictional America is a law. So I believe we must constantly evolve our laws with reason, to allow as much freedom in society even at an individual level, where society can grow and lead to the most benefit for the majority of people

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

society can grow and lead to the most benefit for the majority of people

It's a bit more complicated in real life. Who decides who gets freedom, some religious fundamentalists or rich oligarchs? Also, does that mean we should allow human sacrifices in the name of reproduction?

[-] notaviking@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Yeah it is a hard question, like can be argued that there are too many people for the society and they need to be purged. Yeah I do not have a good answer but I think my point is rather that freedom isn't freedom, just agreed confines in society that is ever evolving, that in my opinion should be based in reason, and it is society's duty to use the correct reasoning.

Like you mention allowing human sacrifices in the name of reproduction. The question is a bit loaded but reasoning can be used, what is human sacrifices? We do allow the death of certain individuals in certain societies, soldiers in war, criminals in execution, children that do not have access to resources like, shelter, food or medication. Can smoking and drinking be seen as a violation of life, since it slowly takes it away, what about unhealthy food or even drugs, does any vices like gambling or sex seen could be threatening to the quality of life. You see how life actually is valuable to a certain degree in society but then there is also a freedom to throw it away. There are reproductive rights, should everyone have a right to have children? What if this person is 7 years old? What if this person already had all their children taken away due to incest and molestation on multiple occasions. Can you abort whenever like at 8 months or 1 week or is it when two gametes form an embryo. What if it is a non-viable embryo, what if this embryo implanted itself in a place outside of a womb and abortion in this instance will save the mothers reproductive organs to have future successful pregnancies.

There are very few things that are black and white in this life, very very few, so I believe there should be an ongoing discussion and that laws should follow reason and compassion for the vulnerable, that laws must constantly change, especially the laws, decrees, holy texts that invested people say should never change no matter the reason

[-] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

You aren’t free to do anything unless we live in the wild.

I think that would solve a lot of the problems if that was still something you could do. I think a lot of people yearn to live in the 'wild' without realizing all the downsides that come with that and I think that thought is more popular because that's just not an option in today's world. And, I mean like the real wild, no laws, no government, etc.

[-] tektite@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 months ago

Even if you do happen to live in the wild, god's followers are looking for you

[-] bi_tux@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

kinda insulting, which transwoman would wear a beard om purpose?

also, got any tips for removing beard shadow?

[-] nerdovic@feddit.de 44 points 5 months ago

It might not necessarily depict a trans woman, and rather a man in drag - who are also targeted by right-wingers

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 39 points 5 months ago

Or an enbie, or even just a cis man who likes long hair and the colour pink. You know that would set off the bigots.

[-] Instigate@aussie.zone 16 points 5 months ago

Or a Sikh trans woman. Or a cis woman with very active facial hair follicles. I mean, it could be so many different people.

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Seriously, I live in Oregon. We've got lots of men with long hair, beards, and pink shirts.

[-] bi_tux@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

true, haven't thought about that

[-] erin 13 points 5 months ago

My fiancée, for one. My close friend as well. Not every trans person feels dysphoria the same, or even at all. Don't presume to know other people's journeys or preferences, we're all different.

[-] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Pretty sure that's a non-binary or non-gender conforming person.

[-] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

To add to this, there are some cis women who grow facial hair (usually because of PCOS) and just rock it.

[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

.......maybe it's a trans man. Or just a dude who likes magenta because it's expressive.

[-] goddard@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don't think people that made this post know that some MAGA people are actually gay.

[-] theilleist@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago
[-] goddard@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

What? MAGA has absolutely nothing to do with the Nazi Germans. America fought the German Nazis.

[-] theilleist@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

"What? This group of fascists has absolutely nothing to do with that group of fascists. This group's ancestors fought that group."

[-] goddard@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

By that logic you are a fascist.

[-] theilleist@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

Me: Just because MAGA's ancestors fought Nazi Germans doesn't mean MAGA aren't fascists.

You: By that logic you are a fascist.

OK buddy.

[-] goddard@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

wtf yes it does. The very thing you claim is so bad they fought against.

[-] theilleist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Are you your ancestors? Am I mine?

[-] goddard@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What? That doesn't even make sense. My great uncle died fighting. I have his journals and yes we basically believe the same ideas.

[-] theilleist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

You have the same beliefs as your great uncle. That's great. Does everyone have the same beliefs as their family members from 80 years ago?

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