It's a "no true scotsman" but those aren't leftists. Leftists don't praise and try to emulate autocrats. Those are people pretending to be leftists who are trying to co-opt, radicalize, or confuse leftists.
Leftism by definition is opposed to authoritarians.
Some are pretending to be leftists. But some just have a Manichean view of the world that they can't shake. Some people change labels when they convert from fundamentalist religion or blind nationalism, but don't change the framework of their views.
No shit, I have seen people outright denying Houthi atrocities because "They wouldn't do something like that!"
Because the Houthis are opposed to The Great Satan(tm), they're automatically rewritten in these people's minds to be at least acceptable in every facet of their existence.
Some are pretending to be leftists.
Says the liberal pretending to be a leftist.
OP blames all the world's ills on anyone to the left of Manchin.
radicalize
Leftists are radicalized by default, genius.
FYI: Those leftists are right wing trolls under a false flag, exactly like those “Biden takes 100% blame for Israel’s every action” guys. They come from /pol and Telegram.
100% this.
New phone huthis?
People who think rather than be mindless tribalists can approve of a specific action of a group without approving of their ideology or other actions of theirs.
For example I approve of what the Biden Adminstration has done towards Ukraine whilst not approving of their ideology that puts the Democratic control of people's life in a nation (i.e. the vote that controls the leaders of the state who make decisions for how the state acts for the good of the many) below Oligarchic control (I.e. Money decides) by defending that the state should not regulate anything that might impact Money or "interfere in the Market", and do not approve of their unconditional support of the quasi-Nazis know as Zionists even in the middle of them committing a Genocide.
One has to wonder if the endless posts by this user constantly trying to misportray "lefties" as basically all "commies" (including a cartoon the other day where the leftie character wore a red shirt with a hammer and a sickle just in case we were in any doubt what he thought "lefties" were) isn't very purposeful tribalist propaganda from a very specific American Political Tribe that passes itself for left over there whilst being pro-Oligarch hard-right.
Certainly this endless hammering of the same drum has a very similar stink as the kind of argumentation we get from mindless Trumpists (pre-made generalizations about other people presented as "I know best what they are [even though I've never been anywhere close to that political side]"), clearly driven by the same mindless tribalism and structured as broad strokes group slandering Propaganda (it's hard to stroke more broadly than the entire Left) only this messaging is coming from the pro-Oligarch American Right rather than from the Fascist American Right.
One has to wonder if the endless posts by this user constantly trying to misportray “lefties” as basically all “commies”
Oh, is that what I'm trying to do? Here I thought I was addressing a specific subset of leftists that is common here on Lemmy.
Oh? If I provide proof, will you admit that you're bullshitting, or will you say "No, i-it's just 1 or 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 posters, it doesn't count!"
EDIT: My favorite part of telling when some assmad individual downvotes all of my posts is when I see completely irrelevant and anodyne comments I've made elsewhere downvoted at the same time.
I've seen 2 memes complaining about this and no examples of it. I'm perfectly willing to believe that it has happened - if there's a crazy thought, someone will spout it online.
But it doesn't seem either widespread or representative of the actual beliefs of real humans in the world.
I see it on Lemmy often enough to be annoyed by it. On Reddit, before I left for good, it was an article of faith in tankie-controlled subreddits.
So if it's just a tankie thing why are you accusing broader leftists of it?
It's not just a tankie thing, unless the usage of tankie has expanded since I last checked. Tankie-controlled subreddits were frequented by far more than just tankies. Furthermore, it's not all leftists, or even most leftists I'm accusing of this. My point is that it's bizarre when self-proclaimed leftists do praise the Houthis, precisely because the Houthis are a far-right theocracy.
I didn't realize Houthis being far-right theocrats was such a contentious point to you.
What else were you contending in my comment? That 'tankies' is a narrower term than 'all leftists'? Or that more than tankies frequented tankie-modded subs back on Reddit? Those seem even more unlikely, but if I was wrong, feel free to tell me which of those you were responding to.
Idk I just had the gif laying around.
Generally, unless you are on lemmygrad or hexbear, this just isn't something that happens.
🙋Is saying "fucking up Israeli ships is based" considered praising Houthis?
Praising, no. Dumb, usually; since Israeli ships aren't even the majority of targets hit by the Houthis.
Also the majority of ships attacked by the Houthis are civilian. You can't complain that Israel isn't doing enough to protect civilians in Gaza and then cheer for attacks on civilians.
I can 'get' a limited argument for that in a 'total war' sense of economic warfare, though I'd still regard it as abhorrent.
Fact is it's not even that much, though. It's just random attacks on shipping because their paymasters benefit from the chaos and the Houthis benefit from the raised profile.
MFers can't even do one thing fully based smh
What's more likely;
Their online identities are real and their support for authoritarian nazi-types is fake.
OR
Their online identities are just a mask and their support for authoritarian nazi-types is 100% genuine.
Given how much Lemmy "leftists" trip all over each other in order to praise the Chinese characteristics that cause "socialism" to produce billionaires while overlooking human rights abuses, yeah, I think it is the authoritarianism they like and not the economics.
There’s certainly a “baby socialist” to china stan pipeline. I’ve heard people blame PSL for this irl, but that group doesn’t exist in my area. Online, there’s probably some communities that i could care less about that act as these pipelines.
And if you stay at that baby socialist stage and come out on the other side of the pipeline, you will end up one of the least socialistic people who has deeply authoritarian views and the worst takes. “Ah yes, i’m a socialist, we need 100 years of brutal authoritarian state capitalism to build our industrial capacity to allow us to transition to socialism. That’s what marx meant when talking about the dictatership of the proletariat.” -statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
Too many people claiming to be on the left are just "America bad, therefore anyone who hates America is good" full-stop.
In case anybody was unaware, here's some info about the Houthi flag:
The slogan of the Houthi movement (officially called "Ansar Allah"), a Shia Islamist political and military organization in Yemen, reads "God Is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, A Curse Upon the Jews, Victory to Islam"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of_the_Houthi_movement
I haven't heard anything about this so I'm not sure about this claim unless anyone is able to link credible evidence
And remember that politics is a spectrum and has its own faction
Remember that we are all human amd we should be working together for a common cause to remove bigotry, intolerance and those who preach intolerance from the world and we should be working towards transitioning away from the exploitative system of capitalism
I haven’t heard anything about this so I’m not sure about this claim unless anyone is able to link credible evidence
Sure. How many examples do you want? Just from Lemmy, or are articles from Left-wing magazines alright too? Twitter and Reddit are low-hanging fruit, so we can exclude them.
Leftist around here just means a friend of americas enemies, economics and social issues never seem to enter into it, excepto as meaningless verbal cudgels.
Where exactly have you been browsing bud?
Lemmy.ml is usually pretty bad for that shite.
That's just not true though.
CMV level 1: Houthis didn't exist for anyone in eurosphere until they bombed ships.
CMV level 2: The regime they fought was shitty, but so is their current administration.
CMV level 3: They had zero reason to bomb ships because they don't have any interest in this, but they were told to do so by investors and suppliers like Iran in exchange for something for their corrupt elites.
CMV level 1: Houthis didn’t exist for anyone in eurosphere until they bombed ships.
As someone who follows foreign policy, I object! Some of us were here observing a conflict that had no traction in broader culture and we had no influence over!
Because they're trying to stop a genocide. Typical liberal tactic, since they've given up on vilifying the Palestinians they're murdering Zionists are moving on to demanding their allies be saints.
There's a difference between expecting allies be saints and expecting them to not be so brutally authoritarian it made the Arab Spring equivalent of the "I can't Breathe" chant become a thing
Not being theocratic slime is not subverting anticolonialism to civility politics, if anything it's the complete opposite considering how the religions your theocratic "allies" stump for is literally defined historically by the fact that it is imported by colonial merchants to establish a port elite to the exclusion of local tradition.
Thank you for being a demonstration.
A demonstration of what? You're completely leaving out the brutal context of a genocide as to why the left is praising Hothis. Hothis should be criticized for the wrong that they've done but it's obvious you're concern trolling Zionist that couldn't care less about the myriad of crimes the West and their proxies have committed.
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