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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 99 points 3 months ago

Yep.

TOS fans in 1987: "This Next Generation show is nothing like TOS and ruins everything about Star Trek!"

TNG fans in 1993: "Deep Space 9 isn't about exploration, so it ruins everything about Star Trek!"

DS9 fans in 1995: "Voyager isn't going to have Klingons or Romulans and the only Vulcan is black, so it ruins everything about Star Trek!"

Voyager fans in 2001: "Enterprise is a prequel, so we know exactly what will happen, so it ruins everything about Star Trek!"

Enterprise fans a few years ago- hell, take your pick of bitching.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 28 points 3 months ago

Enterprise fans a few years ago-

"I wonder if they'll give this show a proper finale? Eh. Probably too much to ask. The intro music isn't bad, at least."

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago

The intro music isn’t bad, at least.

"The intro music sucks and isn't Star Trek because it's a pop song" was like the very first complaint people made upon seeing the first episode.

[-] Cagi@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 months ago

It is a bad, cheesy, non-trek song that we ironically called good for so long we actually started liking it for real.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I guarantee you that not only were there plenty of people who loved it the first time they heard it, there were plenty of people who loved it the first time the heard it on the Rod Stewart album they already owned when the show came out.

Now me, I hate Rod Stewart and I hate that song, but different strokes...

[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

It's insidious

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago

that we ironically called good for so long we actually started liking it for real.

Yeah. That was my journey, exactly. Now I'm really fond of it.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 3 months ago

I occasionally sneak that into a playlist while my wife and I are listening to something, and then I leave the room for a bit. I don't do it too often, though, because I don't want a divorce.

[-] llii@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 months ago

I like the song and the intro.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It so reminds me of Rod Stewart "Sailing", Which was used for a TV show in the late 70's. I hated that song more than 40 years ago and I still do, and I hate the theme song to Enterprise sounding like something from the 70's. It seemed to me everything about Enterprise was to make humanity seem backwards and primitive but in a future SciFi setting. Like when one of the first episodes, they are totally surprised that bacteria can contaminate a planet. Something that has been well known and considered already for several decades.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

It reminds you of a Rod Stewart song because... it's a Rod Stewart song!

He did it originally. They couldn't afford the rights to his version for the show so they re-recorded it with a guy who sounds kind of like Rod Stewart.

[-] Cagi@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago

I get Brian Adams vibes myself.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

You might, but it was a Rod Stewart song. It was also originally in the movie Patch Adams before it was in Enterprise. I don't know why, but I think that's amusing.

Maybe it's because, apparently according to my searching, the songwriter also wrote songs for Bryan Adams?

I was wrong about one thing though: it wasn't on a Stewart album, it was just on the Patch Adams soundtrack album.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

OK that would explain it, but AFAIK if you rerecord it, you still need to pay royalties.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

They did pay royalties. They just paid less than they would have to pay if they used the original song.

[-] feedmecontent@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

I think it's stayed TNG and ds9 fans

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

You'd be wrong. There are people who consider each of those their favorite Star Trek.

[-] teft@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

[-] kbal@fedia.io 6 points 3 months ago

I think it's mostly still TOS fans who tend to look down on the newer series as never quite living up to the original. We are of course right to do so.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

I'm a TOS fan. It was my first love and will always be my favorite Star Trek. But I cannot disagree with you more. There is a line running all through Star Trek- the ideals of the Federation and why they should be upheld. And that is what is most important about Star Trek to me in terms of living up to the original.

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

Ironically the first season of tng was exactly like tos and the show didn't hit is stride until it threw that out and started doing it's own thing

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Several of the scripts were adapted from the aborted Star Trek II TV series, which was going to have most of the original crew return. Spock being the notable exception.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

All Trek fans after Abrams, Kurtzman and Orci showed up: Can we get Berman and Piller back please?

[-] RudeOnTuesdays@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

Nobody wants Berman back.

[-] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago

Happy if JJ never gets near a Trek set again, but as far as the new series are concerned, I'd rank them all between "pretty good" and "excellent". Except Picard, but even that mess was at least a better send off than Nemesis.

Berman? Best thing he ever did was stay away from DS9, and that just because he was too busy making Voyager worse.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I would personally think so, but I have talked to people who say the Abramsverse movies are what got them into Trek and are their favorites.

[-] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 6 points 3 months ago

Enterprise enjoyers today:

It's been a long road, getting from there to here.

[-] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

TBF DS9 did add Star Wars battles as soon as Roddenberry died.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

And none of those other predictions were true either.

[-] Lemming421@lemmy.world 46 points 3 months ago

“Soap opera actress Cheryl McFadden”

TIL.

[-] Deebster@programming.dev 34 points 3 months ago

I didn't realise that Cheryl was her first name, I thought they'd made a mistake (like how they've spelt it Ryker).

But Wikipedia informs me that her full name is Cheryl Gates McFadden and she uses both names:

She is usually credited as Cheryl McFadden when working as a choreographer and Gates McFadden when working as an actress

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Shes a famous dancer and choreographer as well, but TNG does play that up.

She was the dance choreographer and in charge of puppet movement for Labyrinth as an example.

[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago

Also, Levar Burton as the new Spock?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

I guess they didn't expect comedic actor Brent Spiner to be the emotionless Spock-analogue.

[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago

Levar Burton - The New Spock

lol as if Spock would ever get lovesick over a hologram of a person, just to have the real person show up and hate him

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 16 points 3 months ago

I think SNW Spock could manage it

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

#JustIncelThings-IMeanEngineerThings

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

It's crazy to me that Levar Burton was the famous one at the start.

[-] dudinax@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago

Eh? He still has to be top-3.

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

This looks and reads like it is from a grocery store gossip rag. Look, I'm sure fans were upset, but I'm old enough to recall the hype for TNG and people were excited AF generally.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"The charm and success were based on the perfect mix of cast!"

Just wait until Riker gets his beard and then you'll notice TNG has the same thing going on!

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Difference with every Star Trek that came before and what we have now:

Every first season of Star Trek after TOS was pretty bad. When you have just the first season of a Trek series to go off on then the reaction to something mediocre is pretty normal.

Season 1 TNG had... problems.

Season 1 DS9 is boring as fuck.

But these series got better and earned the respect of the fans with later seasons.

NuTrek has had 17 or so seasons across 5 series and it's STILL trash! The current executives have chosen quantity over quality and don't give a damn about improving anything.

[-] Blackout@kbin.run 6 points 3 months ago

Everything after TOS was a mistake. Myself included

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