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Researchers have predicted the collapse of the AMOC could happen any time between 2025 and 2095 — far sooner than previous predictions, although not all scientists are convinced.

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What if...

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[-] starship_lizard@programming.dev 196 points 1 year ago

I'm so tired of living in a world of impending doom. This is hell.

[-] Enigma@sh.itjust.works 67 points 1 year ago

The phrase “may you live in interesting times” is a curse.

[-] tinwhiskers@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago

"Despite being so common in English as to be known as the "Chinese curse", the saying is apocryphal, and no actual Chinese source has ever been produced." - Wikipedia

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[-] Saneless@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago

And they know how to fucking fix it but don't want to

It'd be like if in the movie Armageddon the government just said "Eh let's see if it really will be that bad if it hits us"

[-] 1bluepixel@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago
[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 20 points 1 year ago

That movie felt way too real watching it.

[-] Saneless@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yes but without the part where they tried

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[-] electromage@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

This is because you're not sorting your recycling!

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[-] Xtallll 57 points 1 year ago

Good news! Soon the doom won't be impending!

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[-] ikiru@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago

Have you tried being absurdly wealthy?

I haven't myself, but I hear it makes it all worth it.

[-] brcl@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

It’s on my to-do list.

[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

I just long for a time when the conspiracy theorists are yelling about the end of the world and the scientists are running the country, not the other way around.

[-] nexusband@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The doom depends on where you live. Florida? Yup, probably, but you where already living in hell. Europe? Iced up North Sea, really snowy north, big ice caps, Spain and portugal getting more cool...doesn't sound that bad, to me personally.

[-] Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

What? I moved to the nordics so that I'd be living in a tropical paradise soon, now there's going to be more snow?

[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Michigan's Upper Peninsula is one of the places least likely to be affected by climate change, based on current models. In the US anyway.

[-] nexusband@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Mostly florida, as the "AMOC" transports the heat away from florida. Could very well be, that a stoppage of the AMOC would create a Hypercane and completely wreck everything in Florida. Cuba could also be absolutely done for. Canada would also probably have a LOT more snow - the Soutpole however would probably stop existing and what exactly is going to happen to Brazil is a complete unknown. Some simulations show the insta death of the rest of the rain forest. Some simulations actually show the opposite. However, Europe, Africa and Asia probably would see a lot lower temps - what exactly that would mean for the Climate in those areas is also highly speculative - however, it's something that happened quite often throughout the history of earth. North America however has lots of other parts liveable, when Florida is "dead" and basically the Sahara.

[-] NecessaryWeevil@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago

Happened quite often in the past…over the course of thousands of years. Man-made global warming is a very different animal.

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[-] virr@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

TL;DR: New statistical model suggests that the AMOC (including gulf stream) could collapse to the much slower pattern by 2025 to 2095. This is a century earlier than previous predictions and the researchers were concerned. There is some questions on the accuracy of the model used, and that needs more research.

Personally I don't think we should wait for further testing to vet the model before acting. Try to do better now.

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[-] RHSJack@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

We could try to vote people who will take action OR incentivize consumers to be more proactive BUT. Neither is ever going to happen.

I was having dinner with my brother's family and we were watching an interview with some celebrity that my sister-in-law adores. Dude is heavy in green activism and lists fast food places which are bad actors for climate and also farmers rights, etc. So my SiL announces we are never eating at such and such place again (I can't remember, I never eat fast food anyway). The very next night they order takeout from said fast food place. They also always order same day deliver from Amazon despite it never actually arriving same day, but they get packages every damn day. Tons and tons of packaging for crap they always throw out or give away to neighbors eventually. This isn't unique to them.

This is MOST of America and I suspect the rest of the developed world. We are effed.

[-] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

cant elect people in america who would do anything, when we're busy trying to fend off full blown fourth reichdom by electing the least awful candidate each election.

[-] spaysi@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well that’s pretty scary.. I mean, at least the scientists say that it’s more likely the current will just slow down rather than completely collapse? But then again, all the climate change models predicted a much more conservative timeline on when we would be experiencing the effects of climate change than what is actually happening in the real world now.. so idk, scary shit man ☹️

[-] slicedcheesegremlin@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago

they also have admitted to only announcing the most optimistic results because nobody would believe them if they didn't, and if people did it would be devastating

[-] spaysi@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Ugh, and of course because of that people have been dragging their feet on making necessary changes to the point of doing basically nothing anyway… I feel like the risk of people saying it’s too extreme maybe would have been worth instilling a sense of panic in people over climate change? Feels panic worthy to me

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[-] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago

If how conservative they've been in the past is any indication, this is going to happen next monday

[-] spaysi@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah, for real though considering they are saying it could happen anywhere from 2025 (wtaf) to 2095 (lol)

[-] sturlabragason@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Goodbye Iceland my old friend.

[-] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

I made a poster about this for an assignment when I was primary school, like 18 years ago. Ffs

[-] Kandorr@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

We should have listened, but your poster was washed from the main stream media!

[-] jayemar@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago
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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago

Title gore.

[-] Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As long as we finally get colder weather and snow in Germany again, I'm all for it. No, not really because it's horrible but I try to see the positive things.

[-] astral_avocado@programming.dev 17 points 1 year ago

You might like the weather but you'll have some issues with an utterly collapsed food chain

[-] PrincessLeiasCat@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If anyone wants to read more about AMOC, here is a description from NASA along with the NASA illustration that was in the article:

June 5, 2023

BRIEF: As the ocean warms and land ice melts, ocean circulation — the movement of heat around the planet by currents — could be impacted. Research with NASA satellites and other data is currently underway to learn more.

Edit: climate.nasa.gov is fantastic for this kind of stuff, btw. They have tons of data from their satellites you can download, visualizations, videos, charts, graphics, tutorials...just all sorts of things. It's very cool.

[-] Turkey_Titty_city@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

did we see this movie already?

[-] rusticus1773@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Let's make another one! Except this time make it a documentary!

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[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

I can remember a time when elon musk was still saying smart things... like if there's even a 1% chance of it destroying the planet. We should do everything to avoid it.

[-] WeebLife@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

insert meme of sitting inside house burning down "this is fine"

[-] FatTony@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What would this result in, if this happens?

[-] original_reader@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I asked Bing chat a similar question. Here the sobering answer:

The Gulf Stream is a crucial system of ocean currents that plays a vital role in Earth's climate. If it were to collapse, the consequences would be significant and abrupt. Some of the potential consequences include:

  • Fast sea level rise in the Atlantic¹
  • More extreme winters in Western Europe¹
  • Disruptions to monsoon systems in the tropics¹
  • Greater cooling and more powerful storms across the Northern Hemisphere¹
  • Severe disruption to the rain that billions of people rely upon to grow crops in Africa, South America, and India¹
  • Extreme cold to Europe and parts of North America¹
  • Raised sea levels along the U.S. East Coast¹
  • Endangerment of the Amazon rainforest and Antarctic ice sheets¹

It is important to note that scientists are warning that the Gulf Stream could collapse at any time². The shutdown of this ocean current could lead to serious consequences globally, impacting heat and rainfall distribution². A major Atlantic current could collapse by midcentury as a result of climate change, prompting extreme cold in Europe and sea level rise along the eastern coast of the U.S., according to a study³. It is crucial that we take action to prevent this from happening.

(1) Gulf Stream: A crucial system of ocean currents is showing signs of .... https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/06/world/climate-gulf-stream-collapse-warning-study-intl/index.html.

(2) The Gulf Stream could collapse at 'any time'. https://www.msn.com/en-au/weather/topstories/the-gulf-stream-could-collapse-at-any-time/ss-AA1elwYA.

(3) Atlantic Ocean currents system could collapse this century from climate change: study. https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4118630-atlantic-ocean-currents-system-collapse-climate-change/.

(4) The Gulf Stream Is in Danger of Collapsing as Early as 2025. https://www.theinertia.com/environment/gulf-stream-collapse-2025/.

(5) Gulf stream could collapse as early as 2025, study suggests. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests.

(6) Scientists Are Warning of Gulf Stream Collapse | Futurism. https://futurism.com/collapse-ocean-currents-freeze-north-america-europe.

[-] SoonaPaana@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

So nothing major right? Business as usual.

[-] Elderos@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

I don't know about the former, but yes to the latter.

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[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Those are all the problems for places that don't get the heat the AMOC moves. It doesn't list the problem for the places where that heat doesn't leave.

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