Sorry, not trying to be spammy it just hit my front page twice, and I have the same response both times! :)
Yeah a lot of the anti biden posts feel orchestrated to discourage people from voting similarly how it worked for trump against Clinton
WOAH! You can't just talk about CONSEQUENCES! That's just trying to THREATEN people into VOTING the way you want them to!
This is wonderful and needs to be pasted on every one of these posts…
You can dislike Biden, but a vote for anyone else is a vote for Trump.
This is true because we are not a democracy. We only pretend to be one.
While that may be true, nothing will fix that in this upcoming election. Vote Biden, then set to work fixing our democracy.
Popping up every four years and complain about the two party system, only to disappear afterwards is never going to solve the problem.
You're a flawed democracy with an outdated election system. The FPTP one seat districts forces two party politics.
That's not how voting works but whatever you need to say to feel better.
So you aren’t familiar with first past the post voting? Here’s a hint, it’s “how voting works” in this country.
Ideological purity is great from the privileged position you must be in. The real results of Stein voters in the last election is millions losing rights to bodily autonomy, children being forcibly separated from families, a Christian nationalism Supreme Court, and a president playing favorites during the worst pandemic in living memory. There may be some compromises needed to fix a broken system but third parties are not likely to do anything except split the vote and cause harm
So you voting for fascist cheeto or brain worms?
I'm voting third party as I have in the general for years. I've said this before.
Brain worms it is.
I’m sure your dislike of Biden will make up for Trump declaring himself dictator for life.
Having concerns is fine, but in a 2 party system, not voting for the lesser evil is same as voting for the greater evil.
Trump is even worse for the Palestinians and Ukraine so this is a red herring.
if you aren't with me, then you are against me.
It's a black and white fallacy. When the only thing that is being expressed is criticism or discontent.
Hi! I'm a mathematician. I specialize in creating logical arguments as well as finding and explaining the flaws thereof. The Black and White fallacy does not apply here. First, we need to keep in mind the principle of charity, whereby we try to figure out what was meant by our interlocutors when we argue with them, as far as we can by what they said. In this case, the argument here is not literally that all votes that are for someone other than Biden are instead counted for Trump (this premise would have a great many flaws far beyond the fallacy you gave) rather, it is a statement of the failures of certain voting strategies which are well-established mathematical facts. Specifically, if you prefer candidate A over candidate B, and all other candidates have a combined extremely small chance of winning, choosing not to vote for candidate A is effectively making candidate B's victory more likely.
Hope that clears things up.
It's really an orange or grey thing.
I vote for anyone else, is in fact, a vote of that person.
This is fucking insidious.
...And yet all sorts of people want to talk about "not voting for Biden" says the opposite
I am (once again, unfortunately) voting against Trump. That means there’s really only one box for me to check in our rigged, corrupt, popular-vote-undermining, first-past-the-post system.
And yet I still don’t consider that a vote for Genocide Joe, it is just a vote against Trump in the only way our two-party oligarchy will allow.
You can tell we have a great system of governance by how it encourages us to gaslight ourselves to relieve the cognitive dissonance it creates.
“My PRIMARY goal is to have GOOD THINGS for the UNITED STATES which is why I am deeply concerned about Joe Biden and will NEVER vote for him.”
“Yeah what good things? Fixing the problems definitely sounds like a priority, I love good things.”
“Joe Biden FUCKED UP our marijuana policy and BETRAYED US which is why I cannot POSSIBLY support him and I can’t see why you are CRAZY AND CONFUSED and said I am a Trump supporter.”
“That sounds like a big reform, which yes it would be great, but it’s not like failing to pass it means sliding into fascism, also he pardoned everyone in federal prison for possession, and the Democrats have advanced multiple bills for federal decriminalization which the Republicans keep defeating (*), and Biden requested the DEA to reschedule it. Is there something else you would you want him to do, on his end?”
(there is an interval of silence)
(*) slight oversimplification
“My PRIMARY goal is to have GOOD THINGS for the UNITED STATES like GOOD MARIJUANA POLICY which is extremely important which is why I CANNOT support Joe Biden and will plan NEVER to vote for him. This message will repeat in thirty seconds from now.”
Based on real events
You say that, but your choice of messages are certainly a regularly occurring help to Trump.
Where's the part where it helps Trump? We supposedly live in a democracy, I'm voicing my opinion.
Where’s the part where it helps Trump?
The part where the reality is we have a plurality voting system ("First past the post") in place today.
We supposedly live in a democracy,
We do.
I’m voicing my opinion.
You are.
I'm not saying the rule of law should prevent you from doing what you're doing (I'm not a fan of fascism). However, you're being willfully ignorant if you acknowledge our plurality voting system, but claim your work convincing people not to vote for Biden doesn't also helps Trump become president again.
Vote for whoever you want. Biden, Trump, third party, write in, don't vote, your choice. Democracy at work.
You asked how you're helping Trump. I answered. Once again you ignore the reality of the plurality voting system and refuse to acknowledge the consequences of your actions in helping Trump become president.
Not a big Biden guy myself, but I'm still voting for him because I'm not stupid and I know exactly what's at stake.
It's really hard to take this position seriously when we can see all the political propaganda coming in from other countries. You sound like nothing more then a Russian bot to me at this point.
According to CNN, current third-party alternatives would seem to be more damaging to Biden.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/17/politics/third-parties-elections-what-matters/index.html
Remember to vote for Biden.
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