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[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 270 points 9 months ago

I'm cool with that, but folks should also remember this:

 

[-] skulbuny@sh.itjust.works 103 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

yeah I'm forever voting blue no matter who. The republican candidate will always be a fascist. It will never end with Trump. It's going to be fascist vs not fascist blue vote and I will eat whatever shit the blue vote shits out. More cops? I'm all for it, not a fascist dictator. Support Israel? Fine with me, not a fascist dictator. It sucks but that's just America now for the next thousand or so years, fascism or something else. Better hope the something else isn't closer to fascism than before or else you're fucked.

[-] ceasarlegsvin@kbin.social 39 points 9 months ago

You acknowledge that you're voting for a slightly slower descent into fascism but that you'll continue to do so?

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 131 points 9 months ago

As opposed to a faster descent? Yes absolutely.

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[-] Holyginz@lemmy.world 67 points 9 months ago

You have a good point. Obviously we should vote for it to happen faster rather than try to use the slow descent to fix things.

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I wonder how many accelerationists around here are fascists/explodingheads users. Fascists don't fear the prospect of pretending to be something they aren't if it means furthering their agenda.

They're not afraid of posing as, say, a disenfranchised, discouraged and disillusioned left-winger who believes both sides are bad and there's no future except revolution.

They're not afraid to post about how "Genocide Joe" is funding genocide in Gaza while neglecting to point out how "Totalitarian Trump" would send B-52s to carpet bomb Gaza and the West Bank until nothing is left.

They're not afraid to point out how red states are still succeeding in trampling over LGBT rights under Biden while also ignoring how Trump would almost certainly push for that nation-wide.

They'll cry about our current supreme court justices while ignoring that Trump was the one who put those justices in power to begin with.


To be clear, I think the US is pretty far from saving and that it'll take a miracle to save this country from ruin. However, I'd rather see the country collapse slowly and in a relatively controlled manner that gives people time to prepare for its demise; while also giving people time to attempt to patch and fix the holes.

Revolution is high risk, high reward; if the left-wing wins, then you might get the socialist utopia you've always dreamed of. However, what if the right-wing wins? Yanno, the people with the majority of privately owned guns in the US. What if they win?

A Trump presidency means your leftist revolution against a fascist government will almost certainly be opposed by both rednecks and the US military.

However, if the fascists revolt during a Biden presidency, then the military will likely be backing you.

In the event of armed revolution, the president, whether it's Biden or Trump, will use the military to protect and reinforce their power. With Trump, opposition to his power will be coming from the left, so that's who the military will target. With Biden, the opposition will come from the right, and so the military will target them instead.

Of course, that doesn't mean you'll get the leftist utopia you've always dreamed, but at least you'll remove a lot of fascists from the equation. Removing those fascists means it'll be easier for the country to swing to the left and stay there. It won't happen overnight, but the result would likely be a government far more stable than if you tried to burn everything down and start over from scratch.

The reason why I say all this is because I feel that we are closing in on a revolution. Something is about to snap, and it will happen either during the elections or soon after. As such, you really, really don't want Trump, because Trump means you'll be fighting against the biggest, most well-funded and technologically equipped military in the world.


The air is tense and electric, filled with gasoline fumes and heated by our exhaust. The masses are shuffling to and from their workplaces, burned-out and overworked. They are struggling to afford rent, afford food, afford sleep and water. Static electricity is building on their shuffling bodies, and soon a spark will leap from an outstretched finger, igniting the air and bathing the US in fire.

I hope I'm wrong.

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[-] norbert@kbin.social 21 points 9 months ago

You're just an accelerationist. Fatalism, nihilism, apathy, hopeless, etc aren't anything new, most of us disagree with you. I wonder if your outlook would improve if you got therapy or if you had a little skin in the game and stood to lose something.

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[-] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 115 points 9 months ago

Not voting for Biden is the same thing as voting for Trump.

Voting for Biden doesn't mean supporting him. It means preventing Trump from becoming president.

[-] ashok36@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago

The vote I cast in 2020 was against trump and not for Biden. I feel pretty good about that decision considering what happened afterwards. I'll vote against Trump again as many times as it takes.

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[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This precise sentiment has gotten me told off a few times now. Usually with someone yelling the word "Genocide" over and over so I can't get a word in. People are so fucking dumb it's actually unbelievable.

Whatever my frustration, I just want us all to work together even after we get Biden a second term. The only reason, ONLY REASON, the GOP have their power is honestly because we can't stop slap fighting long enough to plant a foot in their asses. This would also work for the Democrats. We do have two feet. Whatever our perspectives and opinions, there is a single neigh universal truth we can all accept:

This life sure could be a lot better.

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[-] the_doktor@lemmy.zip 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Exactly. This is what I cannot understand from all these "true hyper-leftist" people. You do realize that the future of the USA is at stake here, and that our system is fundamentally rigged to not allow any real alternative as a choice, right? Your brain-dead "BIDEN BAD VOTE THIRD PARTY" is just going to enable Trump and then you'll never be able to vote for anyone ever again as you are forced to participate in alt-right Trump rallies every single day and post on the Trumpernet about how much you love Trump. This isn't much of an exaggeration -- this where they want to go if Trump wins.

You're not supporting Biden. This isn't how our vote works. You're voting for the person less likely to fundamentally fuck our country up. And in case you still don't quite understand who this is, that is Biden.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 21 points 9 months ago

The largest current of leftists aren't saying you cannot vote for Biden, and that you should vote third party, but that ultimately change comes from outside the electoral system.

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[-] Nom@lemm.ee 27 points 9 months ago

I never liked Biden since the Obama years and I now hate him quite a bit. Sadly voting for him at this point is simply necessary, because if I am not in a good enough state to survive then I cannot support the Palestinians nor Ukrainians.

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 110 points 9 months ago

Nother reminder: not voting for biden isvoting for trump regardless if you support either of them

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago

Well I'm not voting for Trump so I guess, by your logic, that means I'm voting for Biden. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[-] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 86 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Asserting this is obtusely ignoring the context that conservative voters have no qualms about voting for someone grossly immoral.

There aren't conservatives out there saying "Yeah well I was gonna vote for Trump but he supports genociding Palestinians".

The fact that conservatives don't have this problem and everyone else does means that, yes, you are enabling Trump by not voting Biden. The "logic" necessarily does not work the other way around, even if you say it like some sort of clever gotcha with a complex emoji.

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 24 points 9 months ago

"Nooo you don't understand I'm definitely going to defeat fascism by doing absolutely nothing ever. You just don't understand the benefits of political apathy"

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[-] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 9 months ago

Trump is leading the polls.

so if you currently think "im not gonna vote", then you're giving trump a head start

A majority of the non-voters are more likely to vote for the democrats. thats also why the republicans are making it as difficult as possible to vote. coz they know, the more who vote, the less likely they are at winning

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 93 points 9 months ago

Sure, but if you can and don’t vote for Biden it means you’re at least ok with Trump.

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[-] seanziepples@lemmy.world 81 points 9 months ago

I'm not going to tell anybody what to do or who to vote for but one of two things are very likely to happen at the end of this election:

  • Biden is re-elected. We continue with the status quo. We have a chance to make small incremental steps toward a better future.
  • Trump is elected. Two Supreme Court justices retire and Trump appoints two more. At that point he will have appointed FIVE of NINE Supreme Court justices. We have already seen what they're willing to do. Imagine what they will do in the literal decades to come.

Choose what you want to do, but take responsibility for your choice. Vote in your local elections. Big changes can happen from the ground up.

[-] nexguy@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

It's the federal judge appointments that matter and almost nothing else. Most of what he does can be undone except for that.. It would cause a generation of damage.

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[-] franklin@lemmy.world 70 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Criticizing our leaders is one of the core principals of democracy.

Voting is also a core principal. So please stop encouraging non-participation.

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[-] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 66 points 9 months ago

I voted for Gary Johnson because Hillary sounded awful in 2016 and I 1000x regret it. Fuck this system for making me choose between bad and worse, but yes obviously I have to choose bad over worse.

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 57 points 9 months ago

Most are referring to the way our current electoral system works. Voting 3rd party helps the Republicans even if its not intentional.

[-] Seraph@kbin.social 33 points 9 months ago

Yup, and the only way out of that is Ranked Choice Voting.

Go volunteer for your local RCV group, California's is here: https://www.calrcv.org/

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[-] bouldering_barista@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago

Yeah, but.... Oftentimes criticizing Biden helps trump. I'd rather not even risk it at this point.

Can we spend more energy celebrating that trump is NOT the president and how bad it would be if he comes back?

[-] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

'Dislike' and 'support' are immaterial. Votes are all that matter. Sorry in reality no one cares about your super nuanced political position but if you're not voting for Biden in 2024 you're either useless or an actively opposing my civil and human rights.

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[-] suction@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago

Ok but what no leftie has yet explained is who has asked them to like Biden? Probably nobody who votes for Biden last time or this time around thinks he’s “teh awesome”, we’re simply grown ups who are able to tell which is the least bad option. Honestly lefties (if they aren’t just groipers posing as lefties) who think it’s a hot take to say Biden isn’t the optimal person to be President are all suffering from Captain Obvious syndrome while thinking they’re the cleverest people ever. It’s cringe.

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[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 40 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately, the US political system does not have a feature to "dislike" all the candidates. Not without a major, probably bloody, revolution, anyway. Your choice is to support and pick one candidate, or let everyone else pick the candidate for you.

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[-] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 38 points 9 months ago

Liberal democracy has to win every election, fascism only has to win one. Good job if you win in 2024, now do it again every 4 years

[-] Hackworth@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.

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[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 38 points 9 months ago

Leftists 🤝 Tankies
Hating Biden

Tankies 🤝 Centrists
Doing nothing to oppose Trump

How hard is this to understand?

[-] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 36 points 9 months ago

A group holds a vote to either cross a bridge to side A or stay on side B. Staying on side A means you won't have much food. Going to side B means you still won't have much food, but also most of the food is poisonous.

Part of the group says "I don't want to starve, I refuse to vote in a way that accepts malnourishment as a solution!" Group C also opposes eating poisonous food. This partial group votes to try and find a better source of food (option C).

48% of people vote A. 49% of people vote B. 3% of people vote C.

Surprise, surprise, Group C had 0 impact on the starving situation AND helped facilitate the eating of poisonous food.

Fuck Biden, and FUCK Trump. But if you think voting for a leftist party or abstaining from voting will change anything in a system entirely designed around having only two candidates, you are just as okay with Trump as you are with Biden. At the very least, you are saying that they are equally as bad, showing that you clearly don't understand the dynamic.

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[-] bolexforsoup 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Critiques are necessary. We don’t owe electors loyalty. They owe us representation.

With that being said, when it comes to voting, inaction is action.

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[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

Like a real president should, Biden does a lot of things I agree with and some I don’t. I thought Obama was one of the greatest presidents in my lifetime but even he did things I didn’t completely agree with. Would I’d rather have someone like Bernie or AOC in the Oval Office? Absolutely (well except he’s to old and she’s to young). Could we do better than Biden? Also absolutely. What I’d love to see is national ranked choice voting and more like 5-6 candidates. I think this would be better for everyone. But Trump is an existential crisis waiting to happen. I’m not sure this country can withstand another Trump presidency. Frankly I’m not sure my health can either. I literally noticed a significant drop in my BP when Trump left.

So yeah, you can be critical of Biden and not a Trump supporter. Frankly if you’re not a little critical of any president regardless of party, you’re not in a party, you’re in a cult.

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[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 21 points 9 months ago

Wait, I thought the "point of a system is what it does"..

If your choices lead to a trump presidency I don't see how your intent matters at all 🤷

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