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'Dislike' and 'support' are immaterial. Votes are all that matter. Sorry in reality no one cares about your super nuanced political position but if you're not voting for Biden in 2024 you're either useless or an actively opposing my civil and human rights.
Calling people useless is a great way to get them to vote for your candidate lol
Anyone that needs me to 'get them to vote' for Biden in 2024 is already a lost cause. I'm just talking about reality. Sorry if that triggers you, but not really though.
Average Democrat campaign strategy
Yeah Dems tend to care more about democracy than gaining power at any cost. I'm sure you're more satisfied with Republican tactics.
All both parties care about is getting re-elected and keeping the current capitalist system. The US is an oligarchy in a democracy suit.
bOtH SidES! lol
If this is true then Biden's campaign is a lost cause.
Yeah you should probably vote for Trump because... uh- idk- he is pretty popular with dummies and some of them are kinda hot and hot dummies are easier pickins if they think you're on their team. Get that dummy squish however ya gosta!
In deciding people who aren't sure about your candidate are a lost cause, you've abandoned the voters you need to win
I'm not making a case for Trump, but you and everyone else who're passionate about Biden shouldn't be writing off everyone else
Meh- I don't have to coddle anyone. Anyone still 'unsure' about 2024 is either lying or hopeless. I guess if someone literally just woke up from an 8 year coma I'd give them a pass but that's about it.
Plus these conversations have a very niche audience of about 6 people, maybe one of which is actually an eligible US voter. But even so yeah- if Biden loses it's definitely because I didn't coddle the 'undecided' on lemmy enough ;)
And yet everyone on lemmy who says anything at all in opposition to Biden's support for genocide is a Russian agent whose merest opinion to the contrary of centrist orthodoxy is singlehandedly going to cause Biden to lose.
Well, you are useless if you can't manage to do the one thing to prevent America from becoming an authoritarian state. But go ahead and keep complaining about how mean people are to you.
I wasn't complaining, just pointing out how dumb it was.
"Super nuanced political opinions" such as being against an active genocide lol.
Yep- sorry nobody cares what you think deep down inside, snowflake. Only matters how you vote. Biden or Trump- plus all the downballot stuff you don't care enough to think about. Pitch a hissy fit if you want but that's your reality.
Ok gee golly mister, you convinced me to support a war criminal! I'm sure he'll win now that you've secured my support :)
Of course you won't vote for Biden. Choosing the lesser evil in an evil world takes a lot of strength and you're obviously very weak.
Wait, I thought Biden was good, actually. Isn't he like our best president since FDR or something? Now you're telling me he's evil??
Yeah he's evil as Knievel, Jumps busses and shit. But you can't vote anyway so doesn't matter.
Can I make a suggestion?
Grow Up.
Grown ups know that sometimes genocide is cool and good, actually.
I think you illustrate my point.
Grown ups know that life is full of hard choices and that it's pretty damned rare that you get everything you want in any situation. We also tend to understand that there are many things that we cannot change or can only change a little, sometimes over a long period of time.
Choosing not to choose or "standing on principal" is often counter-productive.
The last time centrists didn't get literally everything they wanted, they formed a PAC to get McCain elected.
Some principles ought to be inflexible. It's kind of the definition of a principle. I know what compromise is, and I know right from wrong. It's wrong to compromise on certain things. If growing up means forgetting that, then miss me with growing up.
The problem is they are not inflexible. You compromise ALL the time.
For example, you are perfectly willing to overlook all the other genocide in the world.
Think about it.
I'm not usually a "both sides" kinda guy, but you sound exactly like a MAGAt.
Yeah you saw 'snowflake' and got too triggered to consider the rest of the comment so now I'm MAGA. That's not atypical.
So you think Trump would oppose the genocide?
Trump isn't in charge right now. There is a genocide happening right now. Trump has nothing to do with that. How can you not want to pressure the guy that has the power right now to do something?
That doesn't answer the question.
What Trump would do is an irrelevant question right now. This isn't about the future, it is about the present.
This was the question. It's either yes or no.
Edit: I also find it hilarious that to you, his stance on Gaza is irrelevant when he is, in fact, running for president. Gotta love sticking your head in the sand so your own narrative makes sense.
And it is irrelevant either way. Do you think Trump has power to end this genocide right now? Yes or no?
Again, avoiding the question. I'll answer when you do. It's not that hard, but thanks for telling me all I need to know, champ.
Sorry if I am more concerned with the ongoing genocide supported by the current fascist in power, than with the potential continuation of the same genocide by the next fascist who may come to power.
You don't really need my answer, and I don't really need yours either.
Cool story.
No one said anything about not pressuring the guy, but right now isn't the time to be divisive. The US is literally on the brink of becoming a fascist theocracy, and Biden is the only one who can stop it.
It sucks that he's our only option, but that's life.
Shit on him all you want after the election, but right now isn't the time. The alternative is a guy who supports nuking Gaza.
What pressure are you putting on the guy? Guaranteeing him your vote is the opposite of pressure. It reads as endorsement or at least tacit approval of his policies. Assuming Biden actually cares to win the election, the best thing to do is threaten to withhold your vote. He still has five months to change voters minds. Let him see the polling, let his campaign see the mood on social media. Genocide is a red line, and it's a low fucking bar.
It's never the time, and all criticism is seen as divisive by people who can't abide critics.
I'm sorry about your reading comprehension.
Or I dont wanna vote for someone who committed genocide.
Right on - don't vote. I'll decide if or which genocide(s) your taxes pay for. Just keep paying taxes and not voting- thanks.
Then don't pay taxes anymore if you actually mean it.
It's funny and sad to me how little thought seems to be put into comments like this. It's like you're taking this position to be cool and fit in. It's more of a personal branding exercise than a principled position.
Its funny and sad to me how much you decide to assume on my position, without first asking some questions or trying to understand. Whats also funny is my comment history exists where you can see some of the rational I have behind this position. Not that you'd agree with it but then you'd at least not be making a fool of yourself and saying that it is simply a "personal branding exercise"